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[deadstealth]

overeem would ko cain. The height difference would play a factor and also possibly a guillotine. Cains only chance is to shoot every chance he gets. Cain could also use the cage. Its a good fight, but I think overeems striking, clinch and guillotine all play into cains weaknesses.

JDS loses the standup vs overeem. The question would be JDS BJJ. JDS might be stronger but overeem has many more tools standing and would be throwing/landing 3 for every 1 JDS threw/landed. Overeem by ko.

[kickbox]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

he would lose to both of them. cain will take him down and neutralize the striking and AO has been knocked out quite a few times and i dont see why jds wouldnt do the same.

Wrong...............Dos Santos is an elite k1 striker, which he proved by being able to compete in k1......so Alistaire Overeem would own both Cain and Dos Santos in standup and he has enough takedown defense and strength and submission skills to end the fight with a victory.

[CHAEL fan]

Originally Posted by kickbox

Wrong...............Dos Santos is an elite k1 striker, which he proved by being able to compete in k1......so Alistaire Overeem would own both Cain and Dos Santos in standup and he has enough takedown defense and strength and submission skills to end the fight with a victory.

Wrong

Cain would pound Uber into dirt and JDS would knock his head off.

[kickbox]

Originally Posted by CHAEL fan

Wrong

Cain would pound Uber into dirt and JDS would knock his head off.

Wrong Overeem is a top k1 elite fighter, Dos Santos isnt so Im right. Look it up...... Overeem is k1 caliber, dont fool yourself.

[CHAEL fan]

Originally Posted by kickbox

Wrong Overeem is a top k1 elite fighter, Dos Santos isnt so Im right. Look it up...... Overeem is k1 caliber, dont fool yourself.

I don't give two shits about K-1 junior.....this is MMA...look it up.

[kickbox]

Originally Posted by CHAEL fan

I don't give two shits about K-1 junior.....this is MMA...look it up.

You just said Dos Santos would ko Overeem! But forget to mention Overeem is a better striker than Dos Santos becuase Overeem is K1 level. In standup Overeem would win, he is a k1 fighter................being mma has nothing to do with it, striking is striking. The only way Dos Santos wins is by somehow submitting Overeem or doing gnp.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by kickbox

You just said Dos Santos would ko Overeem! But forget to mention Overeem is a better striker than Dos Santos becuase Overeem is K1 level. In standup Overeem would win, he is a k1 fighter................being mma has nothing to do with it, striking is striking. The only way Dos Santos wins is by somehow submitting Overeem or doing gnp.

No. Striking in K1 is very different than striking in MMA. MMA has feints to set up shots, has none of the rigid rules of MMA...there is a much more versatile approach to striking in MMA.

You're also falling victim to the "fighter x has competed in xx discipline, and fighter y hasn't, so he must be better." How many people simply assumed that lesnar was a better wrestler than Carwin or Cain because he was a DI NCAA champion and neither of them were? How many of those same people were surprised when lesnar got worked outwrestled by both of them?

Yes, AO is a legitimate elite K1 striker. That doesn't automatically mean that Dos Santos couldn't possibly also compete at that level, nor does it mean an automatic pass for the standup.

rh

[kickbox]

Originally Posted by rivethead

No. Striking in K1 is very different than striking in MMA. MMA has feints to set up shots, has none of the rigid rules of MMA...there is a much more versatile approach to striking in MMA.

You're also falling victim to the "fighter x has competed in xx discipline, and fighter y hasn't, so he must be better." How many people simply assumed that lesnar was a better wrestler than Carwin or Cain because he was a DI NCAA champion and neither of them were? How many of those same people were surprised when lesnar got worked outwrestled by both of them?

Yes, AO is a legitimate elite K1 striker. That doesn't automatically mean that Dos Santos couldn't possibly also compete at that level, nor does it mean an automatic pass for the standup.

rh

Becuase Overeem also strikes in mma as well as in k1.Dos Santos isnt capable of striking with Overeem becuase of the skill difference. Dos Santos isnt a wrestler who could just faint a shot, also overeem is no stranger to grappling so He could beat Dos santos in standup. When it comes to striking Overeem wins hands down becuase he competes in k1 level competition. Also Dos Santos was never trained to become a k1 level fighter, Overeem did.......... Dos Santos striking is mma good not k1 good. Both have a good understanding of grappling and submissions, but Overeem is a k1 level striker so he would win the stand up. That much is obvious, your talking as if Dos Santos is some grappler with good standup.Not to mention striking in k1 would make a difference in mma, becuase (striking is striking). Dos Santos wont be able to feint and punch becuase it wouldnt work on Overeem since Overeem has a good grappling knowledge and superior standup.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by kickbox

Becuase Overeem also strikes in mma as well as in k1.Dos Santos isnt capable of striking with Overeem becuase of the skill difference. Dos Santos isnt a wrestler who could just faint a shot, also overeem is no stranger to grappling so He could beat Dos santos in standup. When it comes to striking Overeem wins hands down becuase he competes in k1 level competition. Also Dos Santos was never trained to become a k1 level fighter, Overeem did.......... Dos Santos striking is mma good not k1 good. Both have a good understanding of grappling and submissions, but Overeem is a k1 level striker so he would win the stand up. That much is obvious, your talking as if Dos Santos is some grappler with good standup.Not to mention striking in k1 would make a difference in mma, becuase (striking is striking). Dos Santos wont be able to feint and punch becuase it wouldnt work on Overeem since Overeem has a good grappling knowledge and superior standup.

Way to completely miss the point and just restate your erroneous assumptions.

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rh

[Rise]

Cain vs Overeem - Cain outworks him and uses his wrestling to get the upper hand. Overeem has a punchers chance though

JDS vs Overeem: Really a toss up hard to say without seeing JDS ground game. Overeem wins on the striking end but it's close.

JDS vs Cain: JDS wins if his takedown defense is as good as I think it is

So in reality they all end up trading wins. I'd like to see a couple more fights against quality opponents before I'd say for sure though.