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[killerinstinct]

Who would win in the rematc or well the 1st official match at a catch weight of 195?I know this will probably never happen b/c Tito is a cowardly bitch and Lee's too busy robbing banks ,but I'd like to see this.I'd love to see Tito get KOed again.

This is a good rendition of the 1st time they fought.I found this through google.Not in my exact words ,but this is exactly how it happened.

The date was July 13th, 2002; the location was none other than London, England - the birthplace of prize fighting. Mere hours after the Ultimate Fighting Championship had ended, an afterparty occurred in the city's downtown area. Although 'officially' the fighting had ended earlier, little did anyone know the bout of the night was about to take place. On this night, Lee Murray shocked the world and forever etched his name into the Mixed Martial Arts history books. For his fans, the events of that night are looked upon in a proud and very favorable light. However, supporters of Tito Ortiz reflect upon the same day with humiliation, embarrassment, shame, and denial. According to all accounts of the incident not told by Ortiz himself, their shame is more than justified.

In order to better understand the events, it is important to know what preceded the history making encounter between Lee Murray and Tito Ortiz. Prior to it, Lee Murray had grown up in the toughest streets that England had to offer. Often fighting for his own survival, Murray became a tough fighter out of necessity. Growing up in an orphanage, Murray was taken advantage of as a youth and forced into a fighting circuit for children in the shady underground of London; it was here he gained valuable street experience. Afterwards, he began boxing and competing in mixed martial arts events because violence was all he had known growing up; it was also the only way for Lee to conquer the inner demons that that haunted him after surviving the underground orphan fighting circuit. Those same demons greatly desensitized Lee, transforming him into the cold hearted street machine we all know and recognize today.

In contrast, Tito had been living a pampered, wealthy lifestyle in sunny southern California. At the time he visited London, he was the Light Heavyweight Champion of the UFC, earning six figures for each fight. Tito had also aligned himself with the UFC's new owners, known as Zuffa (his previous managers), and was therefore given instant poster boy status, a steady stream of handpicked opponents, and a new weight class just to make it easier for the natural heavyweight to compete against much smaller opponents. All of this was done in an effort to showcase Ortiz's supposed invincibility inside the cage. But Tito had grown very accustomed to fighting opponents with poor standup, and neglected to train in that area of fighting. Worst of all, Tito had begun to believe his own hype, even going so far as to directly steal a line from famed pitfighter David 'Tank' Abbott and proclaim himself the 'Huntington Beach Badboy'.

These factors all played a part in the dramatic conclusion on the night of UFC 38, with an epic confrontation leaving one man standing and another forever damaged in the court of public opinion. As countless unbiased witnesses have explained, the altercation was initiated by Ortiz, but quickly ended by Murray. Cocky and arrogant, Tito Ortiz went into what witnesses described as "roid rage", (a term for side-effects resulting from excessive steroid use); Tito was angered over something insignificant and set out to teach what he perceived to be "cocky and insubordinate" English fighters and fans a lesson, in typical bully fashion. Instead of attempting to resolve the dispute like a man, Ortiz inexplicably approached Lee Murray?s girlfriend and shoved her to the ground. As any real man would, Lee Murray reacted with anger of his own; the 6ft3 and 225 pound Tito Ortiz saw a 180 pound opponent coming towards him, but mistook Lee for another smaller and weaker opponent who he could easily dominate - but both he and the entire Mixed Martial Arts community were about to be taught a hard lesson.

Due to his arrogance and "roid rage", Tito lowered his head and charged Lee, throwing weak, flailing "windmill" style punches that witnesses described as being "girly". As all of the bystanders report it, Lee simply backed up a few steps and then countered with a punching combo that knocked Ortiz down to the ground - "two straight ones and two uppercuts", in his own words. Murray instantly followed up his knockdown with a swift kick to the face of Ortiz, reminding him why he competed in an event that prohibited such acts. Murray, still very angry, screamed at his downed opponent "you're in London now, motherfucker!" before friends and passersby pulled him away from Tito's limp body.

Obviously, Ortiz was mentally and physically defeated by a smaller opponent; some say he simply gave up when faced with superior rage and technique, much as he did to Frank Shamrock in the UFC. The self-described "Huntington Beach Badboy" curled up in a ball and fell into the fetal position after being knocked down, just as weaker animals in the animal kingdom demonstrate their inferiority to more powerful beasts. In fact, the courageous Matt Hughes was forced to throw himself on top of a downed Ortiz in order to prevent any more of an LAPD-style beatdown.

Afterwards, a bloody and beaten Tito Ortiz began spinning the event with typical lies and excuses, and an account of the affair directly contradicting every other report of the incident. Many internet and UFC fans were (and still are) fooled by the spin job, but many others know the truth. Ortiz was also reportedly was forced to see a psychologist to battle persistent questions surrounding his own manhood after his loss to Murray, including a humiliating battle with impotence. His, ego, ability to sustain a satisfactory erection and face may have been hurt that night, but the damage to his reputation will never be lived down.

As For Lee Murray, he gained instant fame and recognition after the incident, and has been on a path of destruction in MMA ever since, including a knockout of famed Bas Rutten student Amir in a mere four seconds. Lee also created a legion of hardcore internet fans, loyal to the last man. After hearing about the quick and savage destruction Murray handed Tito Ortiz, very few fighters are willing to step up to Lee and take him on in the streets OR the cage. Will Murray ever receive his big break and get a shot in the UFC, or will Zuffa continue to protect their poster boy from the aptly nicknamed "Taco Terrorizer"?

[killerinstinct]

i wonder if we'll ever see another lee murray fight.at the way things are going probably not.

[Afro]

Tito is pathetic, f'in women beater..

[#1taz]

What a load of over-inflated BS gossip.

That story has been making the rounds all over the internet for a long time and just gets lamer and more phony each time it's posted.

One story says the guy's girlfriend tried to slap Tito and spit in his face, another says Murray blind-sided Tito for no reason, one says they got into a scuffle and Matt broke it up quick, another says it never happened...lol

BFD...who cares anyway?

Murray is a street thug and sure as hell is no hero...or any role model either.

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by #1taz

What a load of over-inflated BS gossip.

That story has been making the rounds all over the internet for a long time and just gets lamer and more phony each time it's posted.

One story says the guy's girlfriend tried to slap Tito and spit in his face, another says Murray blind-sided Tito for no reason, one says they got into a scuffle and Matt broke it up quick, another says it never happened...lol

BFD...who cares anyway?

Murray is a street thug and sure as hell is no hero...or any role model either.

are you off your fucking meds?this is the account of the story from every one who was there besides Tito and Tito's lame ass fans.Lee is certainly a hell of a lot more respectable than Tito. he is a hero to many including myself.Lee Murray is the fucking man.Tito's fan can make up all the lies or cover ups for the story ,but what happened happened.True MMA fans know the truth.that Tito started the whole mess and than got KOed.

[Afro]

so every negative thing Tito does is BS gossip?


you cant shrug off the truth like that, and certainly when it involves Tito Ortiz

if it were someone like Randy Couture then it would make sense but knowing Titos rep I dont find it believable that someone is spreading lies to tarnish his name.. he can take responsibility for his own actions.

[#1taz]

What a bunch of biased Tito-haters have to say about him is never going to be the honest truth.

Were there ever any charges filed on Tito? Did the ufc take any action against him? Did she sue his ass off?

No...and that alone should tell you something.

Tito has been getting tested before and after fights for a long time and never has failed one yet...but other fighters that have bad-mouthed him have.

And how the hell would anyone know whether Tito was in counseling...since the records are always kept confidential?

FFS...Don't believe everthing you read on the internet dude.

If you were there or there is realiable footage of it somewhere - then you may be able to figure out for sure what really happened.

If not - then it's just a bunch of old rumors and gossip.

[Afro]

biased Tito Haters?

Maybe if Tito didnt give reason to hate him we would be haters

face it.. you gonna deny his excuses the day after the forrest fight? how abotu the excuses the day of the forrest fight? what about all the crap he talked? all the disrespectful things hes said you gonna deny them too? all the in-ring antics. .you gonna deny those? you can deny this roid rage incident all you want but im sorry.. ive seen it from more believable sources then you no offense. I respected EVERYTHING Tito has done on TUF everything! except a few comments.. but face it.. Tito is a persona, a skitzo, he makes himself out to be a bad guy in the UFC cuz it sells.. he isnt that skilled so he sells himself thats fine with me! cuz he wants to be a guy everyone hates, and hes suceeded with me.. I hate him. In real life hes not like he is in the UFC, I have a problem with that... cuz the UFC is real life.. its not the WWE, Tito should be himself.. this two persona crap doesnt work for me.. and then you add in this incident with Lee Murray? Tito is a mess.. plain and simple.

Lee Murray outclasses Tito plain and simple.. and he would beat Tito in the ring, I would put money on Lee.

[killerinstinct]

sorry just thought this was funny.This is how the incident happened acording to Tito.This is some good shit.Tito is fucking delusional.


thaFormula.com - What exactly went down with you and Lee Murray?

Tito Ortiz - I'll tell you exactly what happened. We're at a club, we're all drinking and everything and it was an open bar and we were hammered. I'm in an Armani suit with dress shoes that are slippery on the bottom. We come out of the club, one of my friends jumps on Pat Militechs back just playing around with him. Pat throws him off and Pat's all "come on man get off me," and one of the guys with Lee Murray said something and my friend ended up getting punched in the face and he got knocked out on the concrete and he was out. So Lee Murray and all his friends started hitting him in the head. So I came walking out of the club and I see this happening, I'm like "what the hell, who's getting pummeled on the ground?" I look and it's my best friend. I'm like "you got to be fucking joking me." The first person I grabbed was Lee Murray. I clinched him and kneed him a couple of times and then Chuck Lidell comes out and he swings at one of the guys and it was mayhem, it was on. Then Lee took off running so I went to go chase him and he turned around and put up his fist and I went to go stop and I slid right into him and he hit me with a one-two and kicked me in the head. He said he knocked me out…he never knocked me out and I guess it all started from then. 'Cause he kept talking about "oh I knocked Tito Ortiz out in England." He rode on my coattail the whole time and that's the only reason he's fighting in the UFC right now is 'cause of that. It's like now I'm gonna squash the kid just because of how much smack he's been talking. I can't wait!

[Afro]

Originally Posted by killerinstinct

sorry just thought this was funny.This is how the incident happened acording to Tito.This is some good shit.Tito is fucking delusional.


thaFormula.com - What exactly went down with you and Lee Murray?

Tito Ortiz - I'll tell you exactly what happened. We're at a club, we're all drinking and everything and it was an open bar and we were hammered. I'm in an Armani suit with dress shoes that are slippery on the bottom. We come out of the club, one of my friends jumps on Pat Militechs back just playing around with him. Pat throws him off and Pat's all "come on man get off me," and one of the guys with Lee Murray said something and my friend ended up getting punched in the face and he got knocked out on the concrete and he was out. So Lee Murray and all his friends started hitting him in the head. So I came walking out of the club and I see this happening, I'm like "what the hell, who's getting pummeled on the ground?" I look and it's my best friend. I'm like "you got to be fucking joking me." The first person I grabbed was Lee Murray. I clinched him and kneed him a couple of times and then Chuck Lidell comes out and he swings at one of the guys and it was mayhem, it was on. Then Lee took off running so I went to go chase him and he turned around and put up his fist and I went to go stop and I slid right into him and he hit me with a one-two and kicked me in the head. He said he knocked me out…he never knocked me out and I guess it all started from then. 'Cause he kept talking about "oh I knocked Tito Ortiz out in England." He rode on my coattail the whole time and that's the only reason he's fighting in the UFC right now is 'cause of that. It's like now I'm gonna squash the kid just because of how much smack he's been talking. I can't wait!

are you serious????