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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

saying Dan beats Anderson 7/10 Times is even more hard to belive. He always has the chance to end the fight with a huge shot, but Anderson is the best striker in mma and would likely counter Dan when he comes in aggressive and land a ton of shots. Dan could get a UD over anderson as well as anyone, even more likely than Chael if he used his wrestling and just kept taking Anderson down, but that isnt Dans style and one of the only fights that he would be foolish to not use that strategy in is vs Anderson.

It was the first time he'd made the cut back to MW in almost two years. By all accounts, he had a terrible weight cut and Anderson still had nothing to offer him until he gassed. When Dan ground and pounds, it actually hurts.

rh

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by rivethead

It was the first time he'd made the cut back to MW in almost two years. By all accounts, he had a terrible weight cut and Anderson still had nothing to offer him until he gassed. When Dan ground and pounds, it actually hurts.

rh

Unless he blamed the loss on a terrible weight cut, I'm not sure we should make excuses for him. And even if he did make that excuse, it's still an excuse.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Harlem

Unless he blamed the loss on a terrible weight cut, I'm not sure we should make excuses for him. And even if he did make that excuse, it's still an excuse.

I'm not making any excuses for anyone.

I'm saying Anderson looked only looked good against him after he gassed, and if they faced each other at 205, he wouldn't be cutting.

Believe what you want...but I believe Dan beats Anderson 7 out of 10 at 205.

rh

[dbader08]

Rampage definitely landed the more solid punches in the first fight, and definitely did better as the fight went on, but I could see Henderson edging the first couple of rounds and possibly edging the 3rd or 4th, either way it was very close, I just felt like the few good flurries Rampage landed-especially the couple that seemed to rock Dan-were more signifigant than anything Dan did.

I would take Rampage in the rematch. The main things that Rampage has had problems with in the UFC is quick takedowns mixed with striking and leg kicks, and Dan isn't that great at doing either. Hes a grecko guy but Rampage is so strong, hes just hard to bully around. They both have iron chins but I would give a slight edge in power to Rampage. Rampage has a better jab also, and hes better at blocking punches than Dan in my opinion.

I'm not making any excuses for anyone.

I'm saying Anderson looked only looked good against him after he gassed, and if they faced each other at 205, he wouldn't be cutting.

Believe what you want...but I believe Dan beats Anderson 7 out of 10 at 205.

rh

riv, saying Dan was gassed is a terrible excuse. It was only the 2nd round, and the entire 1st round was spent with Henderson in his most favorite position, on top of someone. It wasn't a very busy round at all. Plus, it was a title fight, he had months to prepare, and he had jumped from weight class to weight class in the past several times.

Also, saying Dan's GNP actually hurts-Chael's ground and pound was FAR more effective than the pitter patter hammerfist ground and pound Dan did to Anderson in the first fight, and this is something that can not at all be blamed on Hendo being gassed, by anyone, considering it was the first round.

Anderson cuts more weight than Dan to get to 185, and in my own personal opinion he beats Dan just as easily at 205.

[SimpleJack]

If Dan came in as strong as he did against Fedor, it would be a long night for Rampage.

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

If Dan came in as strong as he did against Fedor, it would be a long night for Rampage.

Rampage isn't going to walk him down swining wildly, or let Dan reverse positions after knocking him down (I still don't know what the hell Fedor was thinking)

[SimpleJack]

I agree, but my point was that Dan looked remarkably strong at that weight.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by dbader08

Rampage definitely landed the more solid punches in the first fight, and definitely did better as the fight went on, but I could see Henderson edging the first couple of rounds and possibly edging the 3rd or 4th, either way it was very close, I just felt like the few good flurries Rampage landed-especially the couple that seemed to rock Dan-were more signifigant than anything Dan did.

I would take Rampage in the rematch. The main things that Rampage has had problems with in the UFC is quick takedowns mixed with striking and leg kicks, and Dan isn't that great at doing either. Hes a grecko guy but Rampage is so strong, hes just hard to bully around. They both have iron chins but I would give a slight edge in power to Rampage. Rampage has a better jab also, and hes better at blocking punches than Dan in my opinion.



riv, saying Dan was gassed is a terrible excuse. It was only the 2nd round, and the entire 1st round was spent with Henderson in his most favorite position, on top of someone. It wasn't a very busy round at all. Plus, it was a title fight, he had months to prepare, and he had jumped from weight class to weight class in the past several times.

Also, saying Dan's GNP actually hurts-Chael's ground and pound was FAR more effective than the pitter patter hammerfist ground and pound Dan did to Anderson in the first fight, and this is something that can not at all be blamed on Hendo being gassed, by anyone, considering it was the first round.

Anderson cuts more weight than Dan to get to 185, and in my own personal opinion he beats Dan just as easily at 205.

Its hard to really say who has more power, both hit so damn hard. Dan has improved his standup a ton over the years, but is his boxing on par with rampages? Not sure about that. The wrestling is almost a wash between them. They both will ko any opponent they fight if they land a good shot, except each other. The other thing is that Dan has improved some since the first fight while rampage i question if his hands are as sharp as the first time they fought. Training with Juanito and Team Punishment to training with The Wolfs Lair is a big downgrade.

It is really hard to score those rounds, it could have gone either way but rampage got it.

As far as Anderson, Dan probably has the best shot of any MW to beat him. He won the first round, but chose to stand with Anderson too long in the 2nd. Not getting ko'd, but he clearly got hurt. Anderson has insane accuracy and was landing more than he missed. Did chael really hurt anderson once he got him to the ground? Id hate to see what Dan would do to an Injured anderson that fought chael.

Also, I have asked u a couple of times where do you keep getting these numbers to what Anderson actually cuts from? He said what he weighed a couple of times while not fighting or in camp and people run with it acting like he cuts down from that weight. Anderson cutting 30 pounds in water weight.... your insane.

Originally Posted by DonFrye

I agree, but my point was that Dan looked remarkably strong at that weight.

Yes, now that it seems it wants to stay at LHW for good he seems to be in very good shape. He seems stronger and still doesnt have to cut. He has added some muscle for the permanent move.

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

As far as Anderson, Dan probably has the best shot of any MW to beat him. He won the first round, but chose to stand with Anderson too long in the 2nd. Not getting ko'd, but he clearly got hurt. Anderson has insane accuracy and was landing more than he missed. Did chael really hurt anderson once he got him to the ground? Id hate to see what Dan would do to an Injured anderson that fought chael.

Also, I have asked u a couple of times where do you keep getting these numbers to what Anderson actually cuts from? He said what he weighed a couple of times while not fighting or in camp and people run with it acting like he cuts down from that weight. Anderson cutting 30 pounds in water weight.... your insane.

Its not like its easy for Dan to take Anderson down, he doesn't have the drive-straight-through-you takedown ability of a Chael Sonnen, I know Anderson stuffed a couple takedowns. Also, you do know that Anderson had to go to the hospital after the post fight press conference for his fight with Chael, right? It is my firm belief that Chael has equally as good of gnp as Hendo. Hendo did virtually nothing on the ground to Rampage, Franklin, and Silva. Chael can punch at a much higher volume than Dan can without getting tired, and Silva isn't an easy guy at all to land good shots on even when he's hurt. As many hard shots as Chael landed, he also missed quite a few. Dan is more content more of the time to just chill on top of someone and make sure he holds position rather than going balls to the wall like Chael, partly because Chael is stronger imo and a more relentless wrestler, and better at getting up off of his back. Just look at what happened to Dan when Silva had him on his back, and Chael, Chael reversed him right away.

...and really, I'm insane?...

I’m used to training against bigger guys,” said Silva. A lot of people talk about moving up and down in weight,” he said. “For me, it is a little difficult to cut weight to make 185, but I walk around at 215 to 220 pounds, so for me to cut to 185, I do have to eat a little bit of a different diet, and do a little bit of a different type of cardio workout to get my weight down. For 205, I just eat differently, and I don’t have to cut as much weight. But both 185 and 205 work fine for me.”

Anderson Silva Talks Weight Class Adjustments, 185 lbs vs 205 lbs | World Extreme Fighter ~ MMA Fights, Girls and Action ....ohhh, what's this? That would actually be 35 pounds, my friend. Obviously it isn't all water weight but what is your point? Henderson should have to cut less water weight than him considering he walks around at a lower weight.


and DonFrye, that is not a very good point, considering for the Fedor fight, Hendo only weighed 2 pounds over what he usually weighs at LHW anyways, and it was just water weight...just saying, man.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by dbader08

Also, you do know that Anderson had to go to the hospital after the post fight press conference for his fight with Chael, right?

It was probably mainly revolving around the rib injury. Not because Chael did serious damage with his GNP.

Originally Posted by dbader08

Anderson Silva Talks Weight Class Adjustments, 185 lbs vs 205 lbs | World Extreme Fighter ~ MMA Fights, Girls and Action ....ohhh, what's this?

He said he walks around at that weight. Just like Forrest and Rampage have been known to weight 250+ that doesnt mean that they cut the water weight from that point. All fighters dont stay in perfect shape when they are not fighting. Its not like he just goes in the sauna for the weigh ins weighing that much. Fighters lose a ton of weight during their camps. When all is said and done, he has his body fat % down from his camp, he isnt anywhere near 220 when he fights at MW. He has fought at 167 for a large part of his career, He isnt as big as many make him out to be. Watch is upcoming fight with Okami, that is a huge MW.

I love how people will find out a fighters weight at a random point and run with it.

"Rampage Cuts from 250"
"Anthony Johnson cuts from 220"