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[dbader08]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

It was probably mainly revolving around the rib injury. Not because Chael did serious damage with his GNP.


He said he walks around at that weight. Just like Forrest and Rampage have been known to weight 250+ that doesnt mean that they cut the water weight from that point. All fighters dont stay in perfect shape when they are not fighting. Its not like he just goes in the sauna for the weigh ins weighing that much. Fighters lose a ton of weight during their camps. When all is said and done, he has his body fat % down from his camp, he isnt anywhere near 220 when he fights at MW. He has fought at 167 for a large part of his career, He isnt as big as many make him out to be. Watch is upcoming fight with Okami, that is a huge MW.

I know I went back and edited my post clarifying that, and said that while that is a valid point, the same point is valid for Henderson. I doubt Henderson stays in perfect shape all the time either, hes definitely had fights where he hasn't looked as good as alot of the time and has gassed, like his fight with shields. Either way you look at it, Anderson has to cut more weight.

I guess you just didn't read the part where Anderson said it was a bit difficult for him to make 185?

Also, what makes you think he wouldnt also have a strength and conditioning advantage at 205 just like Hendo does, since he is in fact the bigger fighter, and since both of his performances at 205 were flawless?

The only time Henderson has ever said making 185 was difficult, was when he fought Shields, which was in a large part due to a prescribed medication that he was taking. Either way, that wasn't the case for his fight with Silva.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by dbader08

I know I went back and edited my post clarifying that, and said that while that is a valid point, the same point is valid for Henderson. I doubt Henderson stays in perfect shape all the time either, hes definitely had fights where he hasn't looked as good as alot of the time and has gassed, like his fight with shields. Either way you look at it, Anderson has to cut more weight.

All speculation. Im not going to claim to know exactly how much anderson weighs before he starts cutting water weight or during a fight at mw, but I guess that not to be the case. Dan is a natural MW, you could also argue that Anderson is also a natural MW. but that fact is that a huge chunk of his career Anderson fought below 170. He has never been a very muscular guy. But being tall and lanky everybody says how huge he is.

Look at other guys like Kendall grove, Diabate, or Cory hill. Just because you are tall and lanky doesnt mean that your natural weight is much larger than other fighters in your division.

The term "Frame" can go many different ways, depending on how people personally see it.

For Example:Take a guy like carlos condit who is listed at 6'1 with a 76 inch reach. Just as Rampage is. That doesnt mean that they have the same frame. Bone structures, natural muscle and other factors come into the equation. Look how much broader rampage's shoulders are, look at the difference in the size of their hands, heads, hips, etc. The natural muscle that rampage has that carlos doesnt.

Guys can add a ton of muscle while others wont so it can become tricky, but you cannot just go by Height and Reach to determine somebody's "Frame".

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

All speculation. Im not going to claim to know exactly how much anderson weighs before he starts cutting water weight or during a fight at mw, but I guess that not to be the case. Dan is a natural MW, you could also argue that Anderson is also a natural MW. but that fact is that a huge chunk of his career Anderson fought below 170. He has never been a very muscular guy. But being tall and lanky everybody says how huge he is.

Look at other guys like Kendall grove, Diabate, or Cory hill. Just because you are tall and lanky doesnt mean that your natural weight is much larger than other fighters in your division.

The term "Frame" can go many different ways, depending on how people personally see it.

For Example:Take a guy like carlos condit who is listed at 6'1 with a 76 inch reach. Just as Rampage is. That doesnt mean that they have the same frame. Bone structures, natural muscle and other factors come into the equation. Look how much broader rampage's shoulders are, look at the difference in the size of their hands, heads, hips, etc. The natural muscle that rampage has that carlos doesnt.

Guys can add a ton of muscle while others wont so it can become tricky, but you cannot just go by Height and Reach to determine somebody's "Frame".

Yes that is all pretty obvious stuff.

Im just going with what Anderson said, which was that making 185 was a bit difficult for him, and I doubt he could make 170 now. He could probably make a catchweight of lower than 185, but so could Hendo. Maybe you should read some of what you posted because Anderson being tall and having long limbs might make him look smaller, but in general hes really not, his muscle is just spread out more across his body, as opposed to being stocky like Henderson. They both seem like pretty dense-boned individuals, just look at their chins and foreheads.

and like I said above, has Hendo ever complained about cutting to 185? Only 1 time, and that was against Shields, which was after he fought Silva, which was in a large part due to a prescribed medicine he was taking. So your right, it is all speculation, but according to Silva, he has had a bit more of a problem making 185 in his career than Dan.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by dbader08

e pretty dense-boned individuals, just look at their chins and foreheads.

and like I said above, has Hendo ever complained about cutting to 185? Only 1 time, and that was against Shields, which was after he fought Silva, which was in a large part due to a prescribed medicine he was taking

Dan doesnt want to go back to 185, who could blame him at his age and point in his career. Not sure about him going way below 185. He was a master at cutting weight. He was a big MW. Anderson has an inch on him and significantly less muscle, especially now that Dan made the permanent move up as he looked bigger in his last couple of fights. I doubt Anderson would need to cut more to get to MW than him, but we can agree to disagree.

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

Dan doesnt want to go back to 185, who could blame him at his age and point in his career. Not sure about him going way below 185. He was a master at cutting weight. He was a big MW. Anderson has an inch on him and significantly less muscle, especially now that Dan made the permanent move up as he looked bigger in his last couple of fights. I doubt Anderson would need to cut more to get to MW than him, but we can agree to disagree.

I definitely don't think he could go far below 185. I wouldn't say that Anderson has signifigantly less muscle, especially at 205, like in his fight with Forrest. A bit, yes. I would also say that Silva is more than an inch taller than Dan, it definitely looked that way at their stare down. Anderson not having a super stocky upper body build helps with allowing him to throw very quick straight punches and kicks, though, imo. Alot of thai based fighters have that type of build.


Your right, Dan is a wrestler and a master at weight cutting, which further proves the point I'm trying to make-that Anderson would have just as much if not more to gain in a fight at 205 pounds, that and the fact that he said making 185 was a bit difficult. I think that whole idea is just something that bitter Henderson fans like to say in an attempt to garner themselves more hope, when trying to convince themselves he is the better fighter or would do better at a higher weight, leaving blame to be placed on a weight cut. Why would people even bring up Anderson fight Dan at 205, ya know? He's the UFC MW champ, and we all know Hendo's chances of beating Jones aren't that great, if Dana even decides to let him unify the belt with Jones before fighting Mousasi-who I think would beat Dan.

Either way, I'm sure it would be a hell of a fight lol