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[teddybear2235]

Ive just started watching pride and it seems that they have a few very talented lightheavyweights. chuck liddell has ruled the lhw division in the ufc for sometime and despite the jackson result i think shogun would destroy liddell. what are your opinions on the winner.

[AJL416AZ]

shogun would finish chuck in the 3rd

[Afro]

I think Shoguns versilitily will give Chuck problems, granted Chucks never been left unconcious but he does eat way too many punches, on top of that he doesnt face many guys who are good offensively with there hands and feet, Overeem gave him hell because of that until he gassed. Guy Mezger nearly scored a W vs Chuck when he caught him with a his right hand, and his bad defenses has been the result of two TKO loses in his career. Shogun uses his hands a lot, he isnt great with them but hes good enough when hes facin someone who cant block punches at all. His muay thai is damn good, and it would give Chuck a lot of problems.. I mean look at it this way, he goes up against guys like Tito, Randy, even Rampage.. primarily boxers who dont use leg kicks and yet hes still eating a ton of shots, whats gonna happen when he goes up against a guy like Shogun whos gonna make him worry about his leg kicks and his hands, with enough power to atleast stun Chuck, and with Shoguns angle work its gonna be even harder for him to block shots, and Chuck is a good counter-puncher which is pretty much his defense and his offense, but he isnt faster then Shogun. I think Shogun would win.. I think he can throw too many things at Chuck at once, he has a higher punch count then Chuck does, and as the rounds go on the worse shape Chuck would be in and I dont peg Shogun as someone Chuck can finish in the first 2 rounds, or someone who will be more gassed then he is going into the 3rd round and that is a problem for Liddell. Shogun doesnt have great striking D either but his chin is good, his striking D is still better then Chucks, and his speed, anglework, and versitility make up for what Chuck has over him in power. Shogun by TKO whichever round deems necessary.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I think Shoguns versilitily will give Chuck problems, granted Chucks never been left unconcious but he does eat way too many punches, on top of that he doesnt face many guys who are good offensively with there hands and feet, Overeem gave him hell because of that until he gassed. Guy Mezger nearly scored a W vs Chuck when he caught him with a his right hand, and his bad defenses has been the result of two TKO loses in his career. Shogun uses his hands a lot, he isnt great with them but hes good enough when hes facin someone who cant block punches at all. His muay thai is damn good, and it would give Chuck a lot of problems.. I mean look at it this way, he goes up against guys like Tito, Randy, even Rampage.. primarily boxers who dont use leg kicks and yet hes still eating a ton of shots, whats gonna happen when he goes up against a guy like Shogun whos gonna make him worry about his leg kicks and his hands, with enough power to atleast stun Chuck, and with Shoguns angle work its gonna be even harder for him to block shots, and Chuck is a good counter-puncher which is pretty much his defense and his offense, but he isnt faster then Shogun. I think Shogun would win.. I think he can throw too many things at Chuck at once, he has a higher punch count then Chuck does, and as the rounds go on the worse shape Chuck would be in and I dont peg Shogun as someone Chuck can finish in the first 2 rounds, or someone who will be more gassed then he is going into the 3rd round and that is a problem for Liddell. Shogun doesnt have great striking D either but his chin is good, his striking D is still better then Chucks, and his speed, anglework, and versitility make up for what Chuck has over him in power. Shogun by TKO whichever round deems necessary.

i agree wiht alot of wat you say...i think shogun does present a problem for chuck because of his overwhelming muay thai...shogun throws alot of strikes from both his hands knees and feet and has decent angles but imo lacks the power to put chuck away by ko...

imo shoguns chin has never been tested before...the only person to test it is lil nog...who put him down with a looping left hook to the head...now imo lil nog has little power in his strikes...shogun doesnt have very good strike defense...if chuck were to catch him with a looping left or right like lil nog did id venture to say shogun goes to sleep...chuck has concrete in his 2 hands and its a huge possibility that chuck will tag shogun more than a few times during the fight...

another thing i think about with this fight...if shogun were to start to overwhelm chuck on the feet i could see chuck doing wat he did to overeem seeing as chuck is a much better wrestler than shogun...imo shogun wont subb chuck from his back and chucks good wrestling skills could make for some decent gnp...giving chuck some needed recomposure...i could see chuck using the ground a little getting up and landing a good shot to stun shogun and finish or a good shot and ko him...

all in all i think shogun takes this 6/10 times but the possibility of chuck using his wrestling and landing a good shot are great....

[Afro]

I think Shogun has more power then Guy Mezger, and has KO'd 13 of his opponents, in 15 wins. I think he can knock Chuck out if he caught him but I wouldnt call it likely, TKO is more likely

and Chuck wouldnt want to go to the ground with Shogun, hes never really had to deal with subs before in his career, going against a guy with pretty damn good BJJ like Shogun would be a death wish IMO

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I think Shogun has more power then Guy Mezger, and has KO'd 13 of his opponents, in 15 wins. I think he can knock Chuck out if he caught him but I wouldnt call it likely, TKO is more likely

and Chuck wouldnt want to go to the ground with Shogun, hes never really had to deal with subs before in his career, going against a guy with pretty damn good BJJ like Shogun would be a death wish IMO

imo guy has an edge on power on shogun....and deff. has better strike defense than shogun and chuck put him to sleep...i think chuck would catch shogun eventually...

and yeah shogun has very good bjj skills but wat i ment about chuck taking it down was more as a time buyer not to try and do much or finish the fight more to jsut recover and controll...and chuck has never seen too many subbs in fights but he does train bjj and has for over 10 years...im pretty confident chuck could aviod a subb or two...

[btp]

shogun is definitely the more rounded fighter, but we've seen time and time again sometimes that doesnt matter, shogun definitely has the skills to finish chuck standing up or on the ground. The two things that worry me are that shogun often takes alot of shots on his way to finishing his opponent and with somebody with power like chucks that might not work out terribly well; and chuck has a definitive advantage in wrestling so he'll likely dictate where the fight plays out ... regardless shogun 6 times out of 10.

[BKS]

Tough question, in my opinion. You have Chuck's open guard vs Shogun's uncanny ability to get hits in, even on people with a closed stance. So, will Shogun land blow after blow, or will Chuck pull The Iceman on him knock him out.


I honestly don't know. I love both fighters. Picking would be hard as hell.

[teddybear2235]

Chuck is so good at adjusting during a fight and assessing his opponent but shogun has a scary good skill set and I can't see how you would adjust to shogun's style.

[Ramma]

If Chuck were to win this fight, it would have to be in the first or beginning of the second round via TKO or a KO punch.. I don't see him being able to go the distant with Shogun