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  • 04-22-2013, 07:04 PM
    TN94z
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    I think you maybe are underestimating Thompson a bit he's a better fighter then he gets credit for. Injuries and fighting in a somewhat stagnant talent pool that Strikeforce hasn't helped his reputation.

    Both Nate and Nick need to make big adjustments to what they already have it's no big secret how to nullify what they do best now and it will only work against fighters that try and brawl with them.

    Looks like they need to do more training with Gilbert. Man he has some nasty TDD
  • 04-22-2013, 06:48 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    Nate did not look good last night. How do you go from dominating Cerrone and Miller to getting tko'd by Thompson...I realize he has good movement and is well rounded but still it seems like Diaz used to have more pop on his straight punches whereas he just tries to clinch people or land those slappy lead hooks more his last 2 fights...do some fucking push ups and get some damn pop on those shots Nate...and jump some damn rope so you don't have the footwork and speed of a zombie.
    I think you maybe are underestimating Thompson a bit he's a better fighter then he gets credit for. Injuries and fighting in a somewhat stagnant talent pool that Strikeforce hasn't helped his reputation.

    Both Nate and Nick need to make big adjustments to what they already have it's no big secret how to nullify what they do best now and it will only work against fighters that try and brawl with them.
  • 04-21-2013, 10:25 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    Nate did not look good last night. How do you go from dominating Cerrone and Miller to getting tko'd by Thompson...I realize he has good movement and is well rounded but still it seems like Diaz used to have more pop on his straight punches whereas he just tries to clinch people or land those slappy lead hooks more his last 2 fights...do some fucking push ups and get some damn pop on those shots Nate...and jump some damn rope so you don't have the footwork and speed of a zombie.
    The hungrier fighter won.
  • 04-21-2013, 07:52 PM
    dbader08
    Nate did not look good last night. How do you go from dominating Cerrone and Miller to getting tko'd by Thompson...I realize he has good movement and is well rounded but still it seems like Diaz used to have more pop on his straight punches whereas he just tries to clinch people or land those slappy lead hooks more his last 2 fights...do some fucking push ups and get some damn pop on those shots Nate...and jump some damn rope so you don't have the footwork and speed of a zombie.
  • 04-21-2013, 05:19 PM
    Fedorlei Gomipierre
    I think history has shown that Nate is far more successful at LW and with his current style, he just loses the same way he did before up at WW.

    That said, Nate's cuts down to LW are extremely draining to him and he has a helluva time and you could see how sunken he looked this past weekend. I can see why he'd maybe want to go back up to WW, even if it was a comment initially to support Gil's title shot. I think alot can also be said for his stagnated gameplan.
  • 04-21-2013, 04:59 PM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRpickup View Post
    Somebody tell Nate that there are wrestlers at 170 as well. it seems when the going gets tough Nate gets going. If you have a problem with wrestlers change your training...not divisions.
    I hate to speak against Nate but what you just said is on point. In all honesty I think he is changing weight classes to try and avoid getting cut by DW.

    By doing so there is a small chance he can pick up a win and avoid the chopping block. Then again if I was DW I would never cut guys that put on a good showing win, lose or draw.
  • 04-21-2013, 03:36 PM
    SimpleJack
    After seeing his body last night at 155, Nate has ZERO muscle tone and his reactions are VERY slow against a mobile fighter.
  • 04-21-2013, 10:10 AM
    Firemass
    Dana put it best, my first thought was "really Nate? after what happened against Thompson you want to face guys that hit harder?".

    he'd get outhustled by any decent wrestler.

    stay at 155 Nate for the love of god!
  • 04-21-2013, 08:28 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Dana White Says Return to Welterweight for Nate Diaz Would Be 'Big Mistake' | Bleacher Report
    "I think going to 170's a big mistake," White said. "Big, strong guys at 170. If he can make (1)55, look what happened tonight at 55."
  • 04-21-2013, 08:03 AM
    trustkill
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I don't know that I've ever seen Nate actually get demolished. I've seen him get beaten convincingly, I've never seen him demolished.
    Hindsight being 20/20, I too never expected Nate to demolished. But he did. So now how do interpret his impending move to the WW division?

    I heard some great pre-fight analysis (MMAOddsBreaker.com) and they predicted that Thomson's agility and leg kicks would give Nate problems. The rule of thumb is that as you move up in weight class, fighters get slower and less agile, so even though Nate lacks diversity in his striking, I can't imagine many WW strikers implementing Josh's game plan. But as someone else mentioned, there's still that wrestling problem.

    I think Nate would have more success at LW, but his potential will be limited until finds a new approach and mixes something up.
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