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  • 05-29-2006, 06:44 AM
    LA Suxs
    damn so many errors on one thread, ur supposed to watch the fight and not drink till after. ok maybe just try not browsin much

    but the straight arm-bar is very easy to escape it looks bad but ur thought to wiggle out of it, its not something u should tap to. Royce is way overhyped on his bjj skills. does anybody wonder why one of his few macthes in BJJ on file is of him gettin choked out by Wallid. the guy wasnt one to compete in ADCC or Pan-Ams to defend his name. he fought a bunch of unprepared fighters or athletes way past thei prime
  • 05-28-2006, 10:11 PM
    killerinstinct
    and the ufc 61 card was a great card-only one fight went to descision.
  • 05-28-2006, 10:09 PM
    killerinstinct
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy
    well, ufc is not as a good reputation as pride or even k-1 which is totally
    different yet 2night was a complete hash mash. Under card sucked with
    diego, he should have lost just because he was on a guys back 4 2 minutes and he couldnt bring him down. fresh face means 4 the next few years
    the ufc will pitch guys for matt 2 fight for him 2 win. matt has been in it
    for a while yet there are some middleweights that can beat him. out there
    somewhere. why doesnt ufc find them. it doesnt promote is why.
    I used to promote concerts what point would it make if I promoted a concert
    with led zepplin on the main billing and beatles as the opening act.
    would be a bad decision because my undercard would be as good or stronger
    than my finalie and I would have no talent for next month.
    look around why hasnt arlovski fought tito yet??? the biling is so high they need a year of hype to make the money for the event through promotions
    take care guys but remember promotions is what this sport cares about not
    winning fights. the promoters control the fighters. Think about it!!!!
    Everything you say thus far as been very uneducated and purely speculation i'd understand if maybe your a nub or something ,but you act like you really know this sport when reaaly you don't know shit.Matt Hughes has been handed any easy opponents-GSP,Penn,Carlos Newton,Joe Riggs,scheduled to fight Karo I wouldn't say those were easy fights plus he had to fight royce.It would be different if you had any actual proof the fight was really fixed-it happens all the time in boxing ,but you just saying the fight was fixed b/c things didn't go as you planned is ridiculous.
  • 05-28-2006, 07:12 PM
    NinjaShogunRua
    I think this guy is fairly new to the sport and hasn't seen much UFC if he is asking questions like why hasnt Arlovski fought Tito? lol Also Pride sets up easy matches for their champions all the time, and also non title fights. Like Fedor vs Zuluzinho. Marcus Aurelio vs Gomi was supposed to be the same, but Aurelio shocked the world and submitted Gomi in the 1st round to shake things up.

    I don't know if this guy realizes that Royce has only won 2 of his last 7 fights, with 3 draws and 2 losses(counting the Hughes loss). He couldn't finish a 143 lb fighter in Tokoro, who is a solid veteran but only 12-10 overall, and definitely no Matt Hughes. Royce only has one submission win since his fight with Dan Severn in 94, and that was in a freak show match vs sumor star Akebono. Royce has aged, and hasn't been fighting alot the last couple of years. He also hasn't been fighting competition that are Matt Hughes level, or near there.
  • 05-28-2006, 07:01 PM
    djimprint
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy
    well, ufc is not as a good reputation as pride or even k-1 which is totally
    different yet 2night was a complete hash mash. Under card sucked with
    diego, he should have lost just because he was on a guys back 4 2 minutes and he couldnt bring him down. fresh face means 4 the next few years
    the ufc will pitch guys for matt 2 fight for him 2 win. matt has been in it
    for a while yet there are some middleweights that can beat him. out there
    somewhere. why doesnt ufc find them. it doesnt promote is why.
    I used to promote concerts what point would it make if I promoted a concert
    with led zepplin on the main billing and beatles as the opening act.
    would be a bad decision because my undercard would be as good or stronger
    than my finalie and I would have no talent for next month.
    look around why hasnt arlovski fought tito yet??? the biling is so high they need a year of hype to make the money for the event through promotions
    take care guys but remember promotions is what this sport cares about not
    winning fights. the promoters control the fighters. Think about it!!!!

    Are you retarded?

    First off you said that UFC should bring in some "middleweights" to fight Hughes. Last time I checked Matt is a WELTERWEIGHT. Along those same lines. Tito is a Light Heavyweight while AA is a Heavyweight. Alessio didn't do squat to prove that he deserved to win that fight. You obviously don't know your ass from your elbow. The undercard had some great action despite most matches being quick. Fishers knockout will be on the highlight reels for a long time. Melvin's knockout was brutal. Swick and Vera finally proved to the naysayers that they are legit contenders.
  • 05-28-2006, 10:43 AM
    Tystick357
    Pitch Matt fights for him to win? GSP obviously isn't a pitch in to win fight, neither is BJ if he gets the rematch, which HAS to happen.

    I think the Diego/Alessio fight decision was fine. It could have gone either way IMO. I would have been satisfied either way. But I was glad it went to Diego since he was the aggressor, you shouldn't win a fight off pure defense the whole time.

    UFC is no more corrupt than any other organization. Other organizations always pitch fights to top fighters as you accuse UFC of doing for Hughes in the future.

    EDIT-And I'm out for now. It's about 4 o'clock, I'm going to head and get some Z's.
  • 05-28-2006, 10:37 AM
    bigdaddy

    gracie reply

    well, ufc is not as a good reputation as pride or even k-1 which is totally
    different yet 2night was a complete hash mash. Under card sucked with
    diego, he should have lost just because he was on a guys back 4 2 minutes and he couldnt bring him down. fresh face means 4 the next few years
    the ufc will pitch guys for matt 2 fight for him 2 win. matt has been in it
    for a while yet there are some middleweights that can beat him. out there
    somewhere. why doesnt ufc find them. it doesnt promote is why.
    I used to promote concerts what point would it make if I promoted a concert
    with led zepplin on the main billing and beatles as the opening act.
    would be a bad decision because my undercard would be as good or stronger
    than my finalie and I would have no talent for next month.
    look around why hasnt arlovski fought tito yet??? the biling is so high they need a year of hype to make the money for the event through promotions
    take care guys but remember promotions is what this sport cares about not
    winning fights. the promoters control the fighters. Think about it!!!!
  • 05-28-2006, 10:16 AM
    Tystick357
    UFC getting boring? I'm not going to say it was even close to being the best damn show ever but it was good. Also, you said Hughes was a new face. That just doesn't fly by me and I don't see how you could think that, hence me thinking you're a troll.

    Many fighters have DOMINATED others who were/are good. It happens. I will agree something looked wrong with Royce, after he lost the fight since he was dominated so badly. It would certainly cause a damper on your day.
  • 05-28-2006, 10:14 AM
    bigdaddy

    totally understand

    I really understand , yet im not some conspiracy theory guy. im a legetimate
    martial artist and have been a bouncer in many clubs yet not proud of that.
    had many fights and seen many fights. all I was trying to get across is
    something did not look right with royce. He didnt have the tenacity
    in it at all. it was as if he was upset before the fight began. I know people
    have there thoughts yet the ufc is getting kind of boring you got to admit.
    what does that say. mmmm. things dont sit right in that show or event.
    will be only watching k-1 or pride from now on.
  • 05-28-2006, 10:04 AM
    Tystick357
    Sorry :P, I'm not exactly totally sober now anyways. Also, at the moment I had thought you were a trol, especially after your all caps post in one of the other threads.

    In a more recent post than that I said . . . .

    Man if you really aren't joking and you really think it was rigged, just relax. Like Kass said, if they fixed the fight it wouldn't have been that one sided anyways. And like I said, if you are being truthful, you conspiracy theorists need to calm the hell down. You may be right some of the time, but all you do most of the time is just make a damn mountain out of a molehill when nothing is there.
    So as you see I took a less drsatic way of talking there. Conspiracy people just piss me the hell off, don't take it personally.
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