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  • 09-16-2006, 01:33 PM
    prophet665
    Quote Originally Posted by prophet665
    Ok...now we have a problem. I just watched the end of the fight again. Hughes did not step back. His left leg gave out first, his right leg was still in the same stance he had it in when he was propping Newton against the fence until they hit the canvass.
    Ok...great...now I am quoting myself. Isn't that the mark of a major asshole? Anyway..

    I got my legs mixed up in the post...it was his right leg that gave out first, not his left leg.
  • 09-16-2006, 03:21 AM
    Boo
    Quote Originally Posted by prophet665
    Ok...now we have a problem. I just watched the end of the fight again. Hughes did not step back. His left leg gave out first, his right leg was still in the same stance he had it in when he was propping Newton against the fence until they hit the canvass.

    Now...it looks to me that Hughes was out for a few seconds after the slam. He did not respond to McCarthy telling him to get off of Newton right away. Plus, in my opinion, it looks to me that he thought he had lost the fight until
    Big John informed him that he won the fight.

    I do agree that there was no other way to call the match from McCarthy's point of view than the way it went down.

    I think Hughes deserved to be the champion based on all the fights (seperate and against each other) the two fighters had after this fight.
    FINE! I will dig the damn thing out and watch it AGAIN, but not until WEC is over!!!

    Did I mention I've never liked you. (it's OK folks, weese just playin)
  • 09-16-2006, 02:50 AM
    prophet665
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo
    Ahh, Prophet you just happened to bring up a fight that I replayed I don't know how many times in order to decide what I think happened. It's been awhile but this is my opinion on the matter.

    I don't think Big John could've called it any other way. Hughes did not tap and there is no way John could have seen that he was out (if he was).

    When Matt picked up Newton to slam him, Newton threw his arm up over the top of the cage preventing Matt from slamming him. Not allowed, but happens all the time.

    Big John made Newton drop his arm and then there was a pause that seemed to go on forever with Newton propped up against the fence.

    Now comes the part I watched over and over to see if Matt crumpled. It looked to me like Matt took a controlled step or two back, bent his knees and slammed Newton.

    Next Newton is clearly out cold, Matt untangles himself with no delay and sits up.

    Matt was acting confused and he didn't realize he had won till someone told him (don't remember if it was John or someone yelling outside the cage.) The part I'm not sure about is if Hughes was momentarily out when he slammed Newton, or if he just got his head rattled.

    Being confused (as if he may have been knocked out) does not equal being knocked out, not being able to defend himself, or tapping out.

    IMHO, Hughes deserved the win.
    Ok...now we have a problem. I just watched the end of the fight again. Hughes did not step back. His left leg gave out first, his right leg was still in the same stance he had it in when he was propping Newton against the fence until they hit the canvass.

    Now...it looks to me that Hughes was out for a few seconds after the slam. He did not respond to McCarthy telling him to get off of Newton right away. Plus, in my opinion, it looks to me that he thought he had lost the fight until
    Big John informed him that he won the fight.

    I do agree that there was no other way to call the match from McCarthy's point of view than the way it went down.

    I think Hughes deserved to be the champion based on all the fights (seperate and against each other) the two fighters had after this fight.
  • 09-16-2006, 02:32 AM
    Boo
    Ahh, Prophet you just happened to bring up a fight that I replayed I don't know how many times in order to decide what I think happened. It's been awhile but this is my opinion on the matter.

    I don't think Big John could've called it any other way. Hughes did not tap and there is no way John could have seen that he was out (if he was).

    When Matt picked up Newton to slam him, Newton threw his arm up over the top of the cage preventing Matt from slamming him. Not allowed, but happens all the time.

    Big John made Newton drop his arm and then there was a pause that seemed to go on forever with Newton propped up against the fence.

    Now comes the part I watched over and over to see if Matt crumpled. It looked to me like Matt took a controlled step or two back, bent his knees and slammed Newton.

    Next Newton is clearly out cold, Matt untangles himself with no delay and sits up.

    Matt was acting confused and he didn't realize he had won till someone told him (don't remember if it was John or someone yelling outside the cage.) The part I'm not sure about is if Hughes was momentarily out when he slammed Newton, or if he just got his head rattled.

    Being confused (as if he may have been knocked out) does not equal being knocked out, not being able to defend himself, or tapping out.

    IMHO, Hughes deserved the win.
  • 09-16-2006, 02:29 AM
    Kimuras"R"Us
    Quote Originally Posted by SypheR
    Thats just the thing Matt did not "Power bomb" him he just past out that was carlos's fight hands down and even dana white said it in an interview that that was carlos's fight but it was brought to his attention way to late to do anything about it
    I disagree to an extent. I think Hughes was out first, no question. However to get the power on that slam he had to initiate it before passing out.... Like a previous post on here said it wouldn't have had that much force if it was just from Hughes passing out... I think he was out of it, but about half way through the slam.
  • 09-16-2006, 01:54 AM
    SypheR
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimuras"R"Us
    I honestly think no one should is at fault here. The situation was so damn awkward (a guy in a triangle choke picking his opponent up and putting him on TOP the cage to powerbomb him) that there really is no precedent. I mean Big John had NOWHERE to go to get a better look, unless he hurdled the cage and I think Big John is passed his prime (although Babalu might disagree). But yeah it was one of those things where you just have to be like "well, that was fuckin goofy" and move on.
    Thats just the thing Matt did not "Power bomb" him he just past out that was carlos's fight hands down and even dana white said it in an interview that that was carlos's fight but it was brought to his attention way to late to do anything about it
  • 09-16-2006, 01:34 AM
    killerinstinct
    The ending tp the fight doesn't matter ,b/c they had a rematch and Hughes won.A fight is a fight and regardless of whether or not Hughes was out he was first to get up and in a real fight the man who walks away is the man who won and Hughes walked away.
  • 09-16-2006, 01:30 AM
    smoogy
    Would anyone have really felt better seeing Newton get the win because Hughes was choked out a split second earlier than the slam? Newton obviously got the bad end of that deal. It was definitely a situation never foreseen by the people who write the rules.
  • 09-15-2006, 04:20 PM
    chungt79
    Quote Originally Posted by HIT SKWAD
    Basicly you have to look at it from Matt's point of view....Wouldnt you pick up and slam him? but when he lifted up Carlos, Carlos grabbed the fence, Matt knowing he was allmost to the point to pass out, he dropped him like he planned....with mad force....if he passed out befor the slam wouldnt have knock Carlos out, just by a 5ft drop........but WHo woke up first? Theres your winner!
    And you are?

    Matt's brain?

    You write your opinion as if they are true.

    Here's another perspective.

    Matt picks him up but puts him against the fence. Why? BC Newton got him in choke and Matt is trying to get out of it using the fence. Why? Because there is a good chance slam may not be enough to get him off and he may be in deeper shit.

    You're not matt and you dont know what he was thinking. But the looks of it sure seems like Matt fell down to me.
  • 09-15-2006, 05:28 AM
    Minotauro
    Quote Originally Posted by LethalStriker
    They gave Newton an immediate title match, and Hughes beat his ass so it didn't end up being that big of a deal.
    Exactly
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