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  • 10-01-2006, 11:05 PM
    bmore_aki
    Quote Originally Posted by kronous76
    I agree with you on most of that Cruz...while i agree it was a really good fight and i found myself actually screaming at rashaad to finish him when he got his back a couple times...i am one of those ppl that don't like him too well but i thought for once it was a really good fight and i'm glad he finished a fight for once lol...if next fight i see him do more and get better i might change my mind about him...but there is something about him that i find boring...maybe after that last fight with lambert he will keep improving =)
    Hey, the other about him you should keep in mind...undefeated!...
  • 09-30-2006, 09:03 PM
    kronous76
    Quote Originally Posted by Luis Cruz
    Afro, you need to calm down buddy i get what you're saying but you don't need to take it to the extreme like that with the name calling and shit.

    For the others, i am seriously getting appalled by some you and what you post. First you guys (not all but the ones that do/did) complain he's boring and can't or doesn't finish. Then he comes out and finishes a fight that i don't think was boring. The thing that made it boring was before he didn't try to improve his position just fell into people's guard and threw small punches with little to no damage and won a decision. This fight he always worked to get a better position not just lay there and got the job done in a very one sided fashion. The other complaints are, it's only one fight and Lamberts not that good?? Yea ONE FIGHT but do people seriously think he's going to get worse and not be able to finish again?? Lambert was labeled as a really good fighter (and he is a pretty decent fighter) but because he gets tossed and handled with ease all of a sudden he's nothing, how about Rashad's wrestling and strength were just too much??

    Do people just like to bash people that are still new to the sport?? I must've said this a thousand times aleady, he's still developing people need to realize this and instead of calling him boring notice that he's improving and give the guy credit. All the wrestlers start this way and improve like Hughes, Lindland, and Couture. Can he beat Tito....what kind of question is that?? You want him to be a superstar over night....give him time and then ask that question, like 1 1/2-2 years from now. I will say, i think he can beat Forrest. The guy is a classact also and never shit talks anyone, just a nice guy which is also a reason reading shit like this drives me nuts. People should be behind guys like him and be encouraging, there are some assholes out there fighting that deserve this but not this guy. He will be a title contender in that time frame i just gave, mark my words.
    I agree with you on most of that Cruz...while i agree it was a really good fight and i found myself actually screaming at rashaad to finish him when he got his back a couple times...i am one of those ppl that don't like him too well but i thought for once it was a really good fight and i'm glad he finished a fight for once lol...if next fight i see him do more and get better i might change my mind about him...but there is something about him that i find boring...maybe after that last fight with lambert he will keep improving =)
  • 09-30-2006, 09:00 AM
    dagreat1
    it's been a minute since I've posted on this site and I was trying to read some of the comments but it was a bunch of hating so I stopped.

    I for one, was exactly right, I stated that Rashad would be pissed off about all the haters talking shit and would come out, dominate and finish the fight and that's exactly what happened.

    I have been a fan of Rashad's from day 1 of TUF, it's easy to spot the assholes on this site that won't give fighters proper respect after bashing them, too much pride and too many egos.

    Get over it, Rashad is in world class shape, dominates the matte, has good standup, creates angles and is a cardio freak.

    Undefeated and he will continue that. Griffin would get owned, the only way Rashad is loosing a fight is to Babalu, Tito or Chuck and none of those are a given. I honestly think Rashad would have a much better chance against Chuck than Tito (obviously Chuck owns Babalu) as Rashad is much faster than Tito and his takedowns are just as good if not better, in addition and this is one of the most important factors, Rashad gives great angles while Tito tends to stand still or move side to side but his head stays still.

    He would be able to take Chuck to the ground but would have to be very active on the ground and try to wear Chuck down in the first 2 rounds with takedowns and then body punches and elbows to the body.

    As of right now, Rashad and Bisping are the future in the UFC LHW division.
  • 09-26-2006, 07:27 PM
    duran
    No need to. I know Militich has already told him to write it on the blackboard a thousand times!
  • 09-26-2006, 07:19 PM
    Boo
    Quote Originally Posted by duran
    Like my buddy from upstate NY, a former top 25 heavyweight from the 80's tells me before he hangs up the phone, "keep your chin down and your ass off the canvas."
    LOL Good advice! Could you have him call Matt please.
  • 09-26-2006, 07:10 PM
    duran
    I know, I know. I have been reading more about how his standup has improved than how it sucked, and I usually don't post until I got my shit straight, but I guess all I focused on was that he did not have his chin tucked and looked sooooo friggin' easy to hit. Jeez, I couldn't believe a world champion was doing that. I do believe now that I may have had tunnel vision. Yep, I read BJ's interview and his comment that Matt had a good jab. That statement definitely has credibility and carries a lot of weight. Also, you pointed out that stand up includes the clinch and elbows, which I missed ENTIRELY. Now you got me fired up to see it again. I would pay 40 bucks right this second to see it now. I have a feeling outside of the chin thing (sorry, can't let it go!) you will be saying "I told you so" to me.

    Like my buddy from upstate NY, a former top 25 heavyweight from the 80's tells me before he hangs up the phone, "keep your chin down and your ass off the canvas."
  • 09-26-2006, 06:46 PM
    Boo
    Quote Originally Posted by duran
    You guys are two of the most sensible posters on this forum. I like the way you guys roll. I am curious, though as to how you thought Matt Hughes standup was good. This is coming from a Hughes fan who was rooting for Hughes, AND I only saw the fight once. I thought he made a lot of fundamental mistakes and in addition, he seemed to get hurt every time BJ touched him. I was waiting for him to get kayo'd any second while they were standing in the first and second round. Flat out, I thought he looked bad standing. That is what I will look at most when I watch it again, but I have this vision of his head up and chin sticking out that gives me the chills.

    I usually always root for mixed martial artists who are wrestlers. Validates the sport I guess. I wish I could be more objective like Mastiff. I think for me, if MMA/UFC would have been around 20 years ago, I see me being a gnp guy. I like the gnp fighters, but then again most are wrestlers. I do like (and it's critical for his success) that Rashad is trying other stuff, but not at the same rate as Josh Koscheck for instance.
    Hey thanks Duran. Your question about Matt’s standup literally made me laugh from thinking about Saturday night. I’d be a liar if I said I saw much of anything the first time I watched the fight. There was a lot of OMGs, oh geez Matt get your damn hands up.

    It looked a lot like this:


    Later when I watched it over a few times I could see how Matt was either ducking or blocking most of BJs punches. I believe BJ mentions this in his post-fight interview. Matt was also effectively using his jab. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to say Matt is some world class striker now. Room for improvement is there. Even if he is quick enough to duck punches I still think he should keep his hands up. His boxing coach is probably going to go over the fight with him and give him a few smacks.

    He was throwing in some knees and elbows in the clinch too. Makes me anxious to see him continue to improve on the standup. I just wish it was in a non-title fight, my heart can't take all that adrenaline.

    Just speculating, but it has crossed my mind that Matt was jacking with BJ when he was dropping his hands. You know how fighters do that sometimes to say, “you can’t/aren’t hurting me.” Diaz does that a lot.
    After you watch the fight again, let me know what you think.
  • 09-26-2006, 04:15 PM
    duran
    You guys are two of the most sensible posters on this forum. I like the way you guys roll. I am curious, though as to how you thought Matt Hughes standup was good. This is coming from a Hughes fan who was rooting for Hughes, AND I only saw the fight once. I thought he made a lot of fundamental mistakes and in addition, he seemed to get hurt every time BJ touched him. I was waiting for him to get kayo'd any second while they were standing in the first and second round. Flat out, I thought he looked bad standing. That is what I will look at most when I watch it again, but I have this vision of his head up and chin sticking out that gives me the chills.

    I usually always root for mixed martial artists who are wrestlers. Validates the sport I guess. I wish I could be more objective like Mastiff. I think for me, if MMA/UFC would have been around 20 years ago, I see me being a gnp guy. I like the gnp fighters, but then again most are wrestlers. I do like (and it's critical for his success) that Rashad is trying other stuff, but not at the same rate as Josh Koscheck for instance.
  • 09-26-2006, 08:16 AM
    Boo
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner
    Yeah, I wrestled in High school and there were kids from the other side of the state in the mountains of VA and they were the same way. For a lot of people its a way of life. I mean look at someone like Cael Sanderson, him and his brother were wrestling in elementary school. ORGANIZED wrestling at that. It is amazing but I have always been an advocate that sports, combat sports in particular are essential to childrens development.

    Maybe i will start a thread about that sometime.
    I had forgotten that you were originally from VA. Beautiful country there.

    We were just talking about this the other day at work. How wrestling is a family affair. When kids are that young they don't have great eye to hand coordination yet for other sports, but most kids can roll, whether they are doing it competitively or with their sibling in the back yard. I'm a big believer in competition as well.

    Speaking of competition, I'm going to hit the hay and compete for the sheets and blankets.
    Talk with ya later.
  • 09-26-2006, 07:53 AM
    Mastiff_owner
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo
    Ya, you and I have talked about this before. Variety is the spice of life.

    Rashad certainly has the raw abilty to be more well rounded. He seems to have the work ethic too.

    As for Hughes, I was glad to see him get to do a little of that standup he's been working on. Obvious improvement. I hope he continues to develop that and his BJJ. Don't think they'll ever match his wrestling though. Did you know that some kids in Iowa start wrestling when they are 4 or 5 years old? I'm not sure if they start that young in Illinois, where Hughes grew up or not.
    Yeah, I wrestled in High school and there were kids from the other side of the state in the mountains of VA and they were the same way. For a lot of people its a way of life. I mean look at someone like Cael Sanderson, him and his brother were wrestling in elementary school. ORGANIZED wrestling at that. It is amazing but I have always been an advocate that sports, combat sports in particular are essential to childrens development.

    Maybe i will start a thread about that sometime.
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