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  • 05-21-2011, 01:11 AM
    rabidsponge
    it was close for sure, but like everyone knows, you cant leave it in the hands of the judges..i thought the talk between dan and shamar at the end was pretty hilarious actually..come on bro..you wanted to show you could stand and bang? you spent 90% of that fight with your head buried in copes armpit
  • 05-20-2011, 09:50 PM
    GL Jeff
    I was expecting a third round. If a fighter goes for a TD,and gets stuffed,then the guy preventing the TD is controlling the fight. He desided the fight isnt going to the ground. The first round was close,but I ha it for Shamar,second round went easily to Chris, he just landed more strikes, and kept the fight standing. I think it was a clear message to Shamar and other wrestlers that you need to do more.
  • 05-20-2011, 09:18 PM
    beau420
    Thought I would include Lew's thoughts:

    Team Dos Santos blog: Lew Polley on "The Ultimate Fighter 13," episode No. 8 | MMAjunkie.com

    I feel Shamar won the round solely based on what is supposed to be judging criteria. He controlled where the fight took place, he was the most aggressive and pressed the action with cleaner landing of strikes. Bouncing around and defending takedowns does not constitute controlling a fight.

    The second round started with Chris gaining a bit more confidence in his approach. He started to let his hands go more, which showed he was starting to get over whatever insecurities he had at the beginning of the fight. Shamar pressed forward and got Chris on the cage, but Chris battled for a bit and managed to get off.

    Chris was throwing punches in combinations and Shamar was only throwing single shots. That was allowing Chris to find his rhythm. Shamar recognized this and immediately worked Chris to the cage and started throwing short shots. Chris again countered and reversed the position. The round was going back and forth, but Shamar was forcing the fight to the cage, while Chris just looked busy. The round ended with everyone on Junior Dos Santos' team thinking the same thing: Shamar did enough to win. Instead, the judges render a decision in favor of Chris.

    I had told Shamar that in those situations, you have to be decisive and nullify any chance to give the other guy a break. Chris is a momentum fighter, and you have to take the idea of winning out of his mind completely by outclassing him. If you get him in a bad spot, keep him there. Chris is like herpes he will hang around forever if you let him.

    On a side note, judging has to be more clear-cut. What exactly are judges scoring and what constitutes controlling a round? What is damage? How do you measure damage? If both fighters look the same, how do you know who did more?

    I mention this because of fights like Diego Sanchez vs. Martin Kampmann, every fight with Nik Lentz, Kampmann vs. Jake Shields and Alan Belcher vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama. What is the criteria for judging? In each one of the aforementioned examples, the judging was very different.

    Lentz does very little to no damage but wins based on control and position. Kampmann lost both fights but did way more damage throughout the entirety of each contest. Belcher completely outstruck Akiyama and did more damage but lost. I'm not saying that this fight was on that level, but I do feel Shamar won – or at worst should have gone to a third round. Maybe I am a little biased, but I know what I saw, and that was a guy lose based on bad judging.
    Don't totally agree...but I don't think Chris winning was that clear cut.

    I would like if the UFC changed judging on the show and they reported the judges scores after every round. Then none of this shit would happen....the reason they don't show the scores after every round in PPV fights and TV fights is because of betting and I am sure Buffer would rather announce the winner.....but when it is in the TUF environment.....who cares? Let the fighters know....make sure they KNOW they are fighting for the win.
  • 05-20-2011, 09:09 PM
    beau420
    I haven't liked either Shamar or Chris since the start....I thought Shamar won the first round...he did control the fight, even though he didn't get any takedowns or land more than a couple strikes, he did dictate exactly where the fight would take place.

    I think they gave the round to Chris for preventing the takedown.

    I have seen this before in other fights, where one fighter (because he is so favored) is expected to do more than he does, so they give it to the other guy.

    I think both rounds could have been scored 10-10.

    I thought the fight was pretty uneventful, it was somewhat entertaining, watching a wrestler try and take someone down for two rounds, while one guy does great at defending the takedown and looking busy....not much else.

    Shamar was so one dimensional....trying to counter, moving back and trying a takedown from the waist.....never going for singles or changing side to side. He looked horrible.

    Chris Cope did better than Shamar did in the fight, but according to the judging rules, I don't think I saw Chris winning. I gave the aggression to Chris Cope, he tried moving forward and striking a couple times, but he doesn't use his jab enough. He lunges in too much....and if Shamar was a little better with his striking, he could have taken Chris out.

    Chris did take one nice counter and there were a couple more near misses where Shamar could have done damage.

    Neither guy should be considered UFC worthy.

    Unless the winner of the show is Ramsay, they should send the winner to SF Challengers series.
  • 05-20-2011, 05:33 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    He fought horribly and couldn't get him down, when his wrestling is his strength. He deserved to lose.


    Lesnar vs. Lenny, who ya got? a couple of episodes ago lenny said he wanted to fight brock.
  • 05-20-2011, 12:54 AM
    CHAEL fan
    Even the fancy editing can't save this season.....All of Spike TV's crap programming > TUF 13
  • 05-20-2011, 12:47 AM
    Kemo
    I think everyone covered anything I'd have to say about the Shamar/Chris fight.

    I laughed aloud when the Palestinian kid was hyping himself up, bouncing around, slapping fives and shadowboxing and says something like, "Yeah, I threw up! So what?! He still can't beat me!"
  • 05-19-2011, 08:29 PM
    GL Jeff
    I thought the first round was fairly close, Shamar did land some punches,and was being the aggressor,but Chris owned him in the TDD, close round but Chris takes it.As for the second, it was all Chris, in the stand-up and TDD, which made all the difference I believe.

    It was how Shamar handled the lose that I think will cost him a fight in the finally. While Chris is the darkhorse to win this competition.
  • 05-19-2011, 08:15 PM
    CtGreat
    My question is WHY THE FUCK DOES JDS NEVER TELL HIS FIGHTERS THAT THEY ARE LOOSING??!! I swear he is the worst cornerman I have ever seen. If you fighter is clearly loosing and not managing to do anything, then why the hell would you keep gassing his head up as though he is doing well? WHy not just tell him that he is loosing so he will use some urgency?? Ive been very let down all around this season by the fighters/coaching.
  • 05-19-2011, 05:56 PM
    SickNasty
    I guess in his dictionary "fight" is defined as pushing and grabbing while whiffing on all 6 of your strikes.

    I doubt Dana appreciated the injury excuse. That's just lame.
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