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  • 12-20-2012, 12:15 PM
    YukonJordan
    Quote Originally Posted by rampage9712 View Post
    Anybody who broke down the fight cited Leg kicks and takedowns as Bendo's keys to victory... that is exactly what happened... although He dominated a lot more than most people thought he would have...

    GSP better not get too friendly with Bendo... Once Ben has a few more title defense and the superfight talks start heating up, im sure GSP will be much more open to that fight against the LW champ... again...
    See you say that like GSP wants to fight the LW champ instead of fighting Anderson. BJ Penn lobbied long and hard for that fight at 170lbs. GSP has no recourse there but to accept the challenge because Penn was willing to fight at 170. If Anderson would commit to fighting at 170 GSP would again have very little choice but to accept the fight. Don't try to use perverted logic to transform Penn's eagerness for a shot at GSP into GSP only wanting superfights against people in weight divisions below him. You're better than that.
  • 12-20-2012, 09:38 AM
    Dan
    Quote Originally Posted by dgil View Post
    Nick Diaz is not Nate Diaz.
    I agree man, they're not the same, but the author of the article is right - there are many, many significant similarities in the way that they fight, and they can't be ignored.

    Nate has based his boxing style on Nick's, and it's a style that is very much their own. They're also both very well known for their dangerous guard and both have highlight reel submissions that they've found from their backs (Diaz's gogoplata over Gomi, and Nate's 'middle finger' triangle of Pellegrino).

    The two more significant aspects of both brother's fighting styles are:
    Their awkward (yet effective and exciting to watch) boxing style that consists mostly of half-power body shots as well as long, rangey punches that come in from unusual angles; and their extremely active (and also effective) guard.

    I think Ben has definitely given GSP a whole load of pointers on how to best neutralise a Diaz skillset. GSP is an even more effective and dominant wrestler than Henderson (relative to his weight-class) and has a very secure, stable, and system top-game.

    I don't GSP will want to stand with Nick, too many times we've seen Diaz pour it on guys and finish them with his high-volume output, and I don't think GSP will want to stand and take that risk.

    I felt like GSP had that fire back against Condit. He was dominant, but exciting too, and he took many more risks that we've seen him take in his 5 fights at least. I'd like to see GSP fired up again and looking to finish. Diaz will be going out there looking to pull off the upset, so I think he'll come out fast and strong early on, but will walk into the first of many takedowns GSP will likely get during the fight.
  • 12-20-2012, 07:36 AM
    end it with a left
    Why would Nick want to train his tdd? He has great sweeps and needs to practice those more. Or even practice setting up a sub from the take down. Or hell try practicing the timing of GSPs take downs to land knees. GSP better not get complacent in Nicks guard cause its definately a nasty one
  • 12-20-2012, 06:12 AM
    CtGreat
    Quote Originally Posted by Adambomb View Post
    Nick is a much better boxer than Nate and overall a much more talented fighter.

    Condit is a skilled kickboxer & his legkicks were largely ineffective against Diaz. They didn't score nearly as much damage as Bendo or Cerrone did on Nate.

    GSP will use a lot more wrestling than Bendo did. Takedown defense has always been Nick's biggest weakness. Hopefully he's trained in it to make this GSP fight competitive.
    The majority of Condits leg kicks weren't shit though. The kicks Bendo utilized were much more aggressive. When Condit committed to the leg kick from his power leg, they did damage. Most of the time he utilized near side leg kicks. More like leg jabs.
  • 12-20-2012, 05:02 AM
    Adambomb
    Nick is a much better boxer than Nate and overall a much more talented fighter.

    Condit is a skilled kickboxer & his legkicks were largely ineffective against Diaz. They didn't score nearly as much damage as Bendo or Cerrone did on Nate.

    GSP will use a lot more wrestling than Bendo did. Takedown defense has always been Nick's biggest weakness. Hopefully he's trained in it to make this GSP fight competitive.
  • 12-20-2012, 04:16 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by mmawolverine View Post
    im gonna go out on a limb and say this fight when it happens will be nothing like the ben/nate scrap, i think ceasar will learn from the condit fight that nick really really needs to avoid being taken down for once, the bigger ego will lose the fight. will nick be too stubborn to fight a takedown and will gsp actually try to stand with a better boxer
    I don't think Cesar will take away much from the Nate/Bendo fight and I doubt they will adapt their camp based on it. While the camp certainly has some talented fighters the play book on the Diaz brothers hasn't really changed in the last few years. Wrestling and leg kicks have always been a weakness of theirs.
  • 12-20-2012, 03:49 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Anybody who broke down the fight cited Leg kicks and takedowns as Bendo's keys to victory... that is exactly what happened... although He dominated a lot more than most people thought he would have...

    GSP better not get too friendly with Bendo... Once Ben has a few more title defense and the superfight talks start heating up, im sure GSP will be much more open to that fight against the LW champ... again...


    Quote Originally Posted by mmawolverine View Post
    im gonna go out on a limb and say this fight when it happens will be nothing like the ben/nate scrap, i think ceasar will learn from the condit fight that nick really really needs to avoid being taken down for once, the bigger ego will lose the fight. will nick be too stubborn to fight a takedown and will gsp actually try to stand with a better boxer
    Nick doesnt really have a choice... If he trained his TDD his entire camp, GSP still gets him down at will... Its always a good idea to tighten up your weaknesses, but everybody has a ceiling... guys like Diaz's or Condit will just never have elite level TDD, no matter how much they train it.
  • 12-19-2012, 11:08 PM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by CtGreat View Post
    Do you REALLY think that Nick can defend a takedown from GSP when Koscheck got taken down in the second fight whenever GSP wanted to? Nick and Nate are very similar, in the sense that they are weak for their weight class imo. GSP will throw him around like a rag doll.

    I hate to say this but I think this fight will look like Diaz Vs Sanchez
  • 12-19-2012, 05:42 AM
    CtGreat
    Quote Originally Posted by mmawolverine View Post
    im gonna go out on a limb and say this fight when it happens will be nothing like the ben/nate scrap, i think ceasar will learn from the condit fight that nick really really needs to avoid being taken down for once, the bigger ego will lose the fight. will nick be too stubborn to fight a takedown and will gsp actually try to stand with a better boxer
    Do you REALLY think that Nick can defend a takedown from GSP when Koscheck got taken down in the second fight whenever GSP wanted to? Nick and Nate are very similar, in the sense that they are weak for their weight class imo. GSP will throw him around like a rag doll.
  • 12-19-2012, 05:35 AM
    mmawolverine
    im gonna go out on a limb and say this fight when it happens will be nothing like the ben/nate scrap, i think ceasar will learn from the condit fight that nick really really needs to avoid being taken down for once, the bigger ego will lose the fight. will nick be too stubborn to fight a takedown and will gsp actually try to stand with a better boxer
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