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  • 01-24-2013, 07:30 PM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    But you sure as fuck can crossface the ever-loving shit out of them!
    Haha touche
  • 01-24-2013, 07:25 PM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    Let me tell you if you could punch in wrestling stalling wouldn't exist.
    But you sure as fuck can crossface the ever-loving shit out of them!
  • 01-24-2013, 07:10 PM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by CtGreat View Post
    From the bottom, ones punches are devalued. So that isn't an option.

    I feel like we are at an impasse, so this is where I humbly bow out.
    Good day to you, sir!
  • 01-24-2013, 07:04 PM
    CtGreat
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I wrestled and I have helped coach wrestling. Let me tell you if you could punch in wrestling stalling wouldn't exist. Plus stalling is an issue in wrestling due to let's say a guy gets up 5-0, gives up a takedown, and basically turtles up for lack of a better term because he knows he is gonna win. The kind of stalling that you are refering to, in my opinion, does not exist when the guy that is getting stalled upon can punch the stallee in the face. That's just my opinion though, and understand/respect that yours is different. By the way, I know that stallee isn't a word, at least I don't think it is.
    From the bottom, ones punches are devalued. So that isn't an option. Besides sweeps and subs, the bottom opponents actions are completely devalued under the current rules

    I feel like we are at an impasse, so this is where I humbly bow out.
  • 01-24-2013, 06:51 PM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by CtGreat View Post
    Stalling rules are an intricate part of both wrestling and jujitsu, so saying that they would neutralize one of the martial arts seems to be without reason. Unless you intend to argue that they shouldn't exist in their respective sports either...
    I wrestled and I have helped coach wrestling. Let me tell you if you could punch in wrestling stalling wouldn't exist. Plus stalling is an issue in wrestling due to let's say a guy gets up 5-0, gives up a takedown, and basically turtles up for lack of a better term because he knows he is gonna win. The kind of stalling that you are refering to, in my opinion, does not exist when the guy that is getting stalled upon can punch the stallee in the face. That's just my opinion though, and understand/respect that yours is different. By the way, I know that stallee isn't a word, at least I don't think it is.
  • 01-24-2013, 06:31 PM
    sproggy
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    It's not like the guys that are getting "dry humped" are doing a ton of damage from bottom. Tie goes to the guy on top.
    Funny thing about this is. The example he used the guy on top was getting beat up yet he still won.
  • 01-24-2013, 06:21 PM
    CtGreat
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I have never seen it that way, but I resepect your opinion and knowledge so I will go on in this thread considering it neutral. Even if it is neutral, the guy that got the takedown should get credit for deciding where the fight goes via offensive maneuver (takedown). I know some people don't like how much weight octagon control carries, but once again I have no problem with it. I will always say that if you don't want taken down then learn to sprawl. If you do something to neutralize one of the martial arts by changing a rule then, in my opinion, it's not really mixed martial arts.
    Stalling rules are an intricate part of both wrestling and jujitsu, so saying that they would neutralize one of the martial arts seems to be without reason. Unless you intend to argue that they shouldn't exist in their respective sports either...
  • 01-24-2013, 04:21 PM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by MIZjitsZOU View Post
    Guard is a neutral position, Or should be considered one in my opinion.
    I have never seen it that way, but I resepect your opinion and knowledge so I will go on in this thread considering it neutral. Even if it is neutral, the guy that got the takedown should get credit for deciding where the fight goes via offensive maneuver (takedown). I know some people don't like how much weight octagon control carries, but once again I have no problem with it. I will always say that if you don't want taken down then learn to sprawl. If you do something to neutralize one of the martial arts by changing a rule then, in my opinion, it's not really mixed martial arts.
  • 01-24-2013, 03:35 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Quote Originally Posted by nbm02ss View Post
    - Jon Fitch.
    But he can stop it....

    I didnt take this as Jones "concerned" about Chael winnig that way. It seems he was saying that it is his only concern as far as chael's game goes... Jones is a very good wrestler, he will probably put Chael on his back when/if Sonnen gets inside...

    It will be very different from Anderson or other Sonnen opponents... Jones will not just be vigorously trying to defend the takedown, he will go for some of his own.
  • 01-24-2013, 03:31 PM
    MIZjitsZOU
    Guard is a neutral position, Or should be considered one in my opinion.
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