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  • 01-29-2013, 05:13 AM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by kalebarker View Post
    It's definitely not 3 points. There are have times where guys have had to raise one foot to put a hand down to make it an illegal knee. I am pretty sure the rule is any part of your body other then your feet.



    Fighters can strike from the bottom. Joe Riggs not someone out with punches from the bottom. Elbows from the bottom can very effective like in guida's fight with Diego. It does severely inhibit your ability to effectively do damage with strikes, but not completely. There are lots of fights where the guy on bottom does more damages.
    I guess to be more accurate, it severely limits your striking capabilities. I think it is safe to say that the effectiveness of strikes is greatly reduced when you are on the bottom. However, the person on top most certainly is in a much more favorable position when it comes to inflicting damage via strikes. Either way, being on the bottom is rightfully considered a disadvantageous position in MMA.
  • 01-28-2013, 11:43 PM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris View Post
    Hmm, I wonder.. if Cerrone had connected to the head with that knee, and pettis had his hand on the ground, would that be considered a downed opponent, or is it the 3 points on the ground?
    It's definitely not 3 points. There are have times where guys have had to raise one foot to put a hand down to make it an illegal knee. I am pretty sure the rule is any part of your body other then your feet.

    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    It is considered a disadvantageous position in MMA, especially if the other fighter put you down in that position. It is considered a neutral position in BJJ, but I think that is due to the inability to throw strikes. In MMA, the position favors the guy on top because keeping him down limits your opponent to the grappling aspect of MMA.
    Fighters can strike from the bottom. Joe Riggs not someone out with punches from the bottom. Elbows from the bottom can very effective like in guida's fight with Diego. It does severely inhibit your ability to effectively do damage with strikes, but not completely. There are lots of fights where the guy on bottom does more damages.
  • 01-28-2013, 09:26 PM
    W.Silva>C.Norris
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    I think the best solution would be to implement the yellow card system like Pride did.

    Speaking of Pettis, when I first saw the cartwheel kick, I thought he partially caught Cerrone with it. But as you can see here:



    ... Cerrone actually completely countered the cartwheel with his knee. If he had been a little faster, he would have caught Pettis in the head with it.

    I guess I can kinda understand why sometimes the judges see things differently than we do on tv. Kinda.
    Hmm, I wonder.. if Cerrone had connected to the head with that knee, and pettis had his hand on the ground, would that be considered a downed opponent, or is it the 3 points on the ground?
  • 01-28-2013, 09:21 PM
    TheKidInside
    he threw that cartwheel kick first... o_O
  • 01-28-2013, 08:52 PM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by optimusjoel View Post
    I see your point and that is exactly why the judges gave that fight to Guida, but even with the takedowns Pettis was winning the grappling exchanges, because he was the one constantly putting Guida in spots that he didn't want to be in, while Guida had zero offense the entire fight.
    I think the best solution would be to implement the yellow card system like Pride did.

    Speaking of Pettis, when I first saw the cartwheel kick, I thought he partially caught Cerrone with it. But as you can see here:



    ... Cerrone actually completely countered the cartwheel with his knee. If he had been a little faster, he would have caught Pettis in the head with it.

    I guess I can kinda understand why sometimes the judges see things differently than we do on tv. Kinda.
  • 01-28-2013, 07:29 PM
    optimusjoel
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    It is considered a disadvantageous position in MMA, especially if the other fighter put you down in that position. It is considered a neutral position in BJJ, but I think that is due to the inability to throw strikes. In MMA, the position favors the guy on top because keeping him down limits your opponent to the grappling aspect of MMA.
    I see your point and that is exactly why the judges gave that fight to Guida, but even with the takedowns Pettis was winning the grappling exchanges, because he was the one constantly putting Guida in spots that he didn't want to be in, while Guida had zero offense the entire fight.
  • 01-28-2013, 07:05 PM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by kalebarker View Post
    It's not a disadvantageous position for the fighter on the bottom if the fighter on top is constantly defending sub attempts. The guy on bottom is the one that is attacking and the only one threatening.
    It is considered a disadvantageous position in MMA, especially if the other fighter put you down in that position. It is considered a neutral position in BJJ, but I think that is due to the inability to throw strikes. In MMA, the position favors the guy on top because keeping him down limits your opponent to the grappling aspect of MMA.
  • 01-28-2013, 01:35 PM
    dbader08
    Another thing to note...is that Pettis has been training with Ben Askren. He's easily one of the best wrestlers in MMA and he's considerably bigger than Pettis, which is cool considering Bendo is a huge LW.
  • 01-28-2013, 12:30 PM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by H0SS View Post
    If a guy attempts subs from the bottom, and the guy on top escapes/nullifies them, I consider that a wash. Taking someone down and keeping them down in the disadvantageous position is control IMO.

    If Guida was capable of controlling Pettis, then so is Bendo. He just needs to utilize a more wrestling-orientated gameplan in the rematch.
    It's not a disadvantageous position for the fighter on the bottom if the fighter on top is constantly defending sub attempts. The guy on bottom is the one that is attacking and the only one threatening.
  • 01-28-2013, 06:06 AM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    I've always been a skeptic of Anthony. Not sure why exactly. Maybe it was what I perceived as flash over substance. His loss to Clay didn't help either. I just never envisioned him as "that guy" at the top of the division.

    And my love affair with Cerrone is well documented. I think he's an exceptionally talented fighter who just can't seem to get over that hurdle (Pettis, Diaz, Henderson). Maybe it's a mental thing with him, who knows?

    But with that said, Pettis looked fantastic tonight and definitely won me over.
    I have very similar feelings about all the fighters you mentioned.

    And, although Pettis looks better to me, I still think he gets in trouble with wrestlers. Given that Bendo has shown vastly improved gameplanning and in-fight discipline, I think he'll handle Pettis easily.

    I think Bendo walks through Gilbert and then wins a tough fight against Pettis. Throughout all of it, we'll hear stories about how his legs look like those of a linebacker from Goldie.... Ohhh Goldie, I'm glad you're back.
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