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  • 01-29-2013, 03:52 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Although frustrated by rules, champ Demetrious Johnson compliments ref | News
    "This is a fight, and you're stalling the fight," Johnson told MMAjunkie.com Radio (MMA Radio, UFC Radio - MMAjunkie Radio). "You have to keep on moving. Imagine how much damage I could have done to him right there. That's something that frustrated me."

    But he was impressed by the even-handed refereeing of John McCarthy in the title fight, which headlined the event at Chicago's United Center.

    "I think he John did a great job," Johnson said of the veteran ref. "He did a great job reffing, letting [Dodson] know, 'You can't be in his limbo.' He even told me, 'Demetrious, you've got to watch out if he's playing that game.'"

    Fighters are instructed backstage that they can't post their hand to avoid getting struck by blows that would otherwise be legal. In other words, they can't use the rules in the way they weren't intended.

    "John says protect yourself at all times," Johnson said. "That's John Dodson's job to protect himself at all times. If he gets kneed in the face, you can't play this game."

    Johnson, however, couldn't initially see Dodson when he began unloading knees against the fence in the fourth round. One struck Dodson shortly after he posted his hand, which was an illegal blow. But according to McCarthy, the strike didn't land hard enough to affect the outcome of the bout, and because Johnson's vision was impeded, he ruled the foul unintentional.

    Had the foul been ruled intentional, McCarthy could have deducted multiple points from Johnson's scorecard.

    "If it effected the fight, it's time to take points," he said. "If it's something that hasn't truly affected the fight, then you try to stay away from doing something that's going to affect the fight by taking points."

    Instead, the two were separated, and the ref warned the champ about the strike.

    "I didn't know his hand was down," Johnson said. "The way the position is set up, my eyes are on the back of his back, and I'm kneeing. After I got warned, I apologized. You can tell after that warning that I was looking to see if his hand was down. In my mind, that's stalling the fight."

    Johnson admitted he probably would do the same thing if trapped in the same position. But he believes his next move would be different.

    "In Japan, ONE FC, if you're down like that, you're going to get kneed in the face," Johnson said. "Will I [post my hand]? Yeah, but I'll try to duck under and go to my back and arm drag. Be more dynamic."

    For now, the UFC has given no indication it will change the current ruleset, which also outlaws another signature technique of international competition in stomping.
  • 01-28-2013, 08:46 PM
    TheKidInside
    Too much of the "ref's discretion" stuff.

    I was nodding off into the later rounds (After 2 basically) but when he got fouled twice, and it looked like Dodson took a while off and seemed a bit off afters, I was like "man, maybe a point would have been the right call".
  • 01-28-2013, 08:23 PM
    lwbrewer
    Quote Originally Posted by Uvall View Post
    Also, this is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. I think this 'game' of quickly putting your hand down should void the 3 point rule.
    I think there's a general agreement with most that there needs to be change.
    Just that night the rule was in effect and would of had major influence on the outcome of it.
  • 01-28-2013, 08:16 PM
    Uvall
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post


    Probably the best thing I've ever heard Dodson say. I haven't liked his attitude at all so far. But if he can manage to keep this side of himself in the public eye while holding back the arrogance some, I may be inclined to change my opinion on him. Also, this is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. I think this 'game' of quickly putting your hand down should void the 3 point rule.
  • 01-28-2013, 06:20 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Yeah, Dodson was cool about it. He made some comment when asked about it along the lines of, "I aint gonna be a bitch about it"...

    But a change to the rules is much needed.
  • 01-28-2013, 02:47 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    John Dodson has no problem with Demetrious Johnson

    ďI was playing that game Ė I was trying to make sure that I didnít get kneed in the face and I got kneed. Itís okay. I donít mind that it happened because we were changing levels so quickly. Itís okay. Iím fine with that,Ē admitted Dodson, saying his focus was simply on getting better as a result of the rumble.

    ďItís a learning experience. I had fun in that whole fight. I might have lost it, but Iíll learn a lot from this and Iím gonna come back stronger and win that title,Ē Dodson explained, joking that two lessons heíd already taken away from the tilt were, ďDonít get hit in the body and donít let somebody hang on my neck.Ē
  • 01-28-2013, 02:03 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE View Post
    I think illegal blows should be an automatic deduction. No more warnings.

    Here's why. A fighter can poke the eye, illegal knee, illegal nut shot whatever and harm the other fighter, change the fight from there on out KNOWING that it's just a warning. That opens the door for intentional illegal blows that a fighter can PRETEND is an accident, not saying that's what Johnson did, but I'm sure it happens.

    If it is an accident, it should still be a point deduction to level the playing field. Sure, it may not have been that fighter's fault, but it also isn't the other fighter's fault that he will now be handicapped somewhat during the rest of the fight.
    There's a couple problems with doing it that way. Sometimes those accidental blows are partially because of what the person that got hit with them was doing . Groin shots from inside kicks where the person was throwing a strike of their own are not uncommon same for eye pokes off of takedown or clinch attempts.

    Also if you go that route it opens the door for fighters to start taking advantage of it by faking or embellishing strikes to get ahead on the score cards.

    I do think they need to be more stringent in penalizing some this stuff and less warnings given, but referee discretion is warranted.
  • 01-28-2013, 01:47 AM
    lwbrewer
    Like the rule or not last night it was in effect, and any sport you learn the rules and run the edge.
    This is a great spot for instant replay as the knee'd fighter should be given time to recover. Take it out of the in cage ref have somebody back at the monitors. They could see within seconds the degree of the foul.
  • 01-28-2013, 12:56 AM
    Mr.Gummy
    I am totally serious when I say this:

    If you knee/kick someone in the nuts, the penalty will be a tennis ball shot from an automatic pitching machine at your groin while the other fighter is recovering. You will not get time to recover before the fight resumes.

    If you poke someone in the eye, you will have to wear an eyepatch for the rest of the fight AND take a shot to the groin from the pitching machine mentioned above.
  • 01-28-2013, 12:26 AM
    H0SS
    Quote Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE View Post
    I think illegal blows should be an automatic deduction. No more warnings.

    Here's why. A fighter can poke the eye, illegal knee, illegal nut shot whatever and harm the other fighter, change the fight from there on out KNOWING that it's just a warning. That opens the door for intentional illegal blows that a fighter can PRETEND is an accident, not saying that's what Johnson did, but I'm sure it happens.

    If it is an accident, it should still be a point deduction to level the playing field. Sure, it may not have been that fighter's fault, but it also isn't the other fighter's fault that he will now be handicapped somewhat during the rest of the fight.
    Sorry but I have to disagree. If every illegal blow was an automatic point deduction, you'd have fighters faking nut shots, eye pokes, etc just to draw the foul. The last thing we want is for MMA to end up like soccer where players are throwing themselves down on purpose like little divas.

    I think the fouls should be dealt with on a case by case basis. If it looks intentional, go ahead and penalize the guy. For example, if the guy has a history of cup-"cheiking" the other guy (hint hint), go ahead and deduct a point without warning.

    This is a very fast-paced, dangerous sport. Illegal blows are an unfortunate part of MMA that are sometimes inevitable.
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