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  • 01-28-2013, 07:02 PM
    lwbrewer
    [QUOTE=Dr. MMA;1002622
    You're right about that. He is a classic overachiever. He doesn't have the skillset that many of his opponents had, but was able to use his heart and energy to win. I disagree when you say he's not using LnP to win though. His style of LnP is very different. He looks like he's moving frantically but really he isn't advancing that much.

    Some people might ask well does that mean you dislike Fitch's style. And the answer is no. The reason is because in Fitch's case, he stops his opponent's attack and he's truly controlling the fight from bell to bell. He really kills a lot of people's offense. Guida doesn't generally. There are quite few fights where Guida should've lost because the guy on the bottom was doing more work. Hioki fight was a classic example.[/QUOTE]

    A classic post that I wish more would use. We agree and disagree but it was done without twisting to troll a arguement, and still make his point.
    I believe if Judging rules, refing, and Judges were better some of these points wouldn't even be a point.
  • 01-28-2013, 06:33 PM
    Dr. MMA
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    The Nate Diaz fight was FOTN as well, the only FOTN he won.

    Guida was constantly trying to pass guard against Hioki, Hioki is just a beast off his back. Clay actually got Pettis back at one point and worked for a few submissions.

    Clay is trying to advance position and due to his recent submissions, if he was able to pass guard, he may pull it off. He's just always fighting the best of the best, most who are better than Clay technically.
    Clay doesn't try to advance positions that much. With Pettis, Pettis was just willing to give him his back just to stop his attack.

    The problem is that his technical skills looked like they were growing in his fights against Gomi and Gugerty, but then he reverted again.

    As for the Nate fight, it's exactly in my opinion like the Diego fight. Nate would constantly attack and Guida would just try to hold on, so it looked like there was more going on. He's great at defending against submissions but he doesn't show much offensive skill.

    Quote Originally Posted by lwbrewer View Post
    My feelings are his heart and energy has the UFC putting him against opponets with a stronger skill set. The man gives us everything he has, sometimes that may not be what you like, but he's not using LNP to coast to a win.
    You're right about that. He is a classic overachiever. He doesn't have the skillset that many of his opponents had, but was able to use his heart and energy to win. I disagree when you say he's not using LnP to win though. His style of LnP is very different. He looks like he's moving frantically but really he isn't advancing that much.

    Some people might ask well does that mean you dislike Fitch's style. And the answer is no. The reason is because in Fitch's case, he stops his opponent's attack and he's truly controlling the fight from bell to bell. He really kills a lot of people's offense. Guida doesn't generally. There are quite few fights where Guida should've lost because the guy on the bottom was doing more work. Hioki fight was a classic example.
  • 01-28-2013, 04:23 PM
    lwbrewer
    My feelings are his heart and energy has the UFC putting him against opponets with a stronger skill set. The man gives us everything he has, sometimes that may not be what you like, but he's not using LNP to coast to a win.
  • 01-28-2013, 12:55 PM
    dbader08
    Yeah, Guida is usually hit or miss. His fights with Griffin (which he should have won), Huerta, Sanchez, Gomi, and Henderson were all pretty great. His fight with Melendez in his earlier days was pretty good too.

    But then there's the fights where he pretty much does nothing but take his opponent down and hug them. Part of me kind of gives him a free pass to an extent, though, being shorter and smaller than most guys...and I have seen him dish it out and take it and keep coming quite a few times. But the more I see a potential great fight ruined by his Lay N Pray antics the less leeway I give him. lol. As long as there is an awesome fight sandwiched in between these boring fights every now and then I guess I won't mind too much. I just hope people put as little of stock as I do in his victories and his opponents' defeats when he wins like that...because it's nowhere near as impressive as a legit ass beating/finish.
  • 01-28-2013, 09:30 AM
    dimerules28
    I've watched the Huerta and Sanchez fights multiple times, and honestly to me it looks like those fights are more a product of Sanchez and Huerta constantly going for things and Guida just kind of going along for the ride... His combination of high cardio, low technical ability, durability and also his ability to make it look like he's being super active when he's really not doing to much all really made him the perfect opponent.

    Damn the dr. Beat me to it... And put it way better lol! But that's what I was trying to say
  • 01-28-2013, 09:28 AM
    H0SS
    I'll always be a fan after that Tyson Griffin fight.
  • 01-28-2013, 09:14 AM
    Flou
    I used to be a fan, just because of the heart he shows in his fights, but just got totally fed up in some of his fights.

    So I pretty much skip every Guida fight nowadays, just because I hate his lay&pray dry humping and the endless bouncing around that leads to nothing except him eating few shots or the other guy taken down.
  • 01-28-2013, 06:12 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    The Nate Diaz fight was FOTN as well, the only FOTN he won.

    Guida was constantly trying to pass guard against Hioki, Hioki is just a beast off his back. Clay actually got Pettis back at one point and worked for a few submissions.

    Clay is trying to advance position and due to his recent submissions, if he was able to pass guard, he may pull it off. He's just always fighting the best of the best, most who are better than Clay technically.
  • 01-28-2013, 06:01 AM
    Dr. MMA
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    19 of Clays 30 wins are finishes. And Clay has been in some seriously exciting fights. Hell he just had an amazing fight against Bendo 2 fights ago! He finished Gomi, Dos Anjos, and Gugerty before that.

    His fights with Sanchez, Huerta, and Griffin were all fight of the nights....that he lost. Clay has won 5 FOTN awards, yet has only won 1 of those fights. Maybe the guy just wants to win? Who knows.

    He also was awarded FOTY twice by major MMA publications.
    Biased on my part because I was being selective on his fights. The main ones I was thinking about were Mac Danzig, Nate Diaz, Diego Sanchez, Anthony Pettis and Hatsu Hioki. He won 4 of those by just looking busy in my opinion and almost stole a decision from Diego for the same reason. The reason the Diego fight was exciting was because of Diego's skill and Clay's heart. Diego was destroying him in the first round and Clay kept coming. Clay was getting brutalized with elbows from Diego from the bottom in the 2nd and 3rd. The Ben Henderson was another display of Clay getting punished and showing heart. I feel that most of his fights where he gets FOTN is based on the same thing: Clay's takedowns, coming forward, and heart versus the other fighter showing actual technique and a skillset.

    I actually thought he changed his style after the Florian loss because he went and finished fights, and I changed my mind about him but then the Pettis and Hioki fight showed me otherwise.

    I don't include the Gray Maynard fight because it's an anomaly. He fought very differently and got boo'ed for it but that's not how he usually fights.
  • 01-28-2013, 05:29 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    19 of Clays 30 wins are finishes. And Clay has been in some seriously exciting fights. Hell he just had an amazing fight against Bendo 2 fights ago! He finished Gomi, Dos Anjos, and Gugerty before that.

    His fights with Sanchez, Huerta, and Griffin were all fight of the nights....that he lost. Clay has won 5 FOTN awards, yet has only won 1 of those fights. Maybe the guy just wants to win? Who knows.

    He also was awarded FOTY twice by major MMA publications.
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