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  • 01-30-2013, 07:33 PM
    carbondioxide830
    i was watching 'ufc tonight' last night and dana mentioned the weidman fight was closer than people think, however he was waiting for something else to happen first. i couldnt think of what considering there aren't many big middleweight fights coming up.

    right after that, i watched 'ufc ultimate insider' which had a pretty good retrospective of hendo's career and it hit me! could dana be holding out to see if hendo beats machida to set up probably the biggest middleweight rematch ever? anderson did say he's only interested in big fights and i cant personally think of a bigger one at middleweight.
  • 01-30-2013, 06:49 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    I hope they can make the Weidman/Anderson fight... Have it in Brazil... Anderson didnt get to fight Chael there and the Bonner fight was a last minute deal...

    Weidman is the best deserving contender out there.... Not sure I have him above guys like Vitor, Okami, and Lombard at this point... but he deserves the shot more than them...

    While Rockhold is just as deserving in my book, Weidman is the better matchup... It would be a great fight. We want to see the champions fight the best.
  • 01-30-2013, 02:11 PM
    Mr. Cornute
    Quote Originally Posted by Uvall View Post
    Cantwell and Condit got immediate Title Shots? I must of missed those fights. Aldo and Cruz were given titles because those divisions were being created, as you said. That's a bit different than getting an actual title shot and was definitely the right move to make considering the UFC didn't have any fighters for them to fight. I also think you missed the point of my post. You should re-read it. It was a rebuttal to your "apples to apples" comparison. My Jake Shields comment was in reference to the UFC most likely learning a lesson in promoting a so called Champ from Strikeforce with the kind of hype they put behind him. And yes, the UFC could do a Champ vs Champ promotion but you fail to realize that most casual fans have most likely never heard of Rockhold. So they could promote another fight just as easily or maybe even easier. And if the lesson from Shields was learned, they may be smart enough not to touch the Champ vs Champ promo with him. Oh and Diaz, was a UFC and Pride fighter before he went to Strikeforce, so he already had a name behind him that was well known. Rockhold might be the fight to make, I was not completely disputing that. I was however disputing your comparison of Strikeforce and Pride.
    I specified that the UFC had already absorbed those divisions prior to WEC folding. More so, I clarified that Aldo and Dom were not the same as being given an immediate title shot.
    With all of that, I think I will say again, I clearly understand that Pride was a much more prestigious organization than Strikeforce was. Without the competition from Pride I do not believe the UFC would be as good as they are today.
    The comparison is strictly that Strikeforce and Pride were rival organizations that were purchased and absorbed by the UFC. Not saying they were exactly on the same level (because they were not), not saying Strikeforce had the same level of competition (although at some points some on this very forum attempted to argue they did), and by far not saying Strikeforce competitors have the same name recognition (as most do not).
    What I am attempting to state is that when you put Weidman and Rockhold together, I would honestly say for the most part most, casual MMA fans know just as much about Weidman as they do Rockhold and they could do either or to the same flare and potentially promote as we've discussed.
    I think the main point we disagree on is that you believe they could promote Weidman against Silva just as easy or easier than Silva vs Rockhold and I think it is vice versa, which is all a matter of opinion and I respect yours & everyone else on this forum.
  • 01-29-2013, 11:23 PM
    Uvall
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Cornute View Post
    The only WEC champ that did not get a title shot (or title) was Pettis and this was due to Edgar and Maynard II resulting in a Draw. If that did not occur they would have given Pettis a shot, especially riding the heat from his fight with Bendo. They immediately recognized Aldo and Dom as champions and rightfully so as they were just introducing those divisions. By the time WEC folded the UFC already absorbed their larger divisions, WW/MW/LHW/HW.
    Dan represented Pride when he came over when Zuffa bought Pride for both the MW and LHW divisions. Fedor held the HW title in Pride and did not sign and that is the ONLY reason and even then he still would have likely received an immediate title shot (DESERVING) if he would have signed to the UFC.
    Hell when they brought Shields over he was billed as a champion (Strikeforce) and worthy opponent for GSP. They took Nate Diaz from Strikeforce and billed him as a champion vs GSP (until he fucked up the press conference).
    I think many have missed the point that I stated "The UFC COULD do a CHAMP vs CHAMP because it is easiest to promote". I didn't state that Rockhold deserved it, nor did I state that Strikeforce was exactly the same but the two do compare.
    In no way did I dismiss Pride, considering I stated that without Pride as competition the UFC would not be where they are today, I think it shows the level of respect I have for Pride, what it brought to MMA and the fighters the UFC absorbed with it.

    What I am stating is that since the MW division is in a bit of flux this would be an easy fix for the UFC to promote Rockhold to fight Anderson.
    Cantwell and Condit got immediate Title Shots? I must of missed those fights. Aldo and Cruz were given titles because those divisions were being created, as you said. That's a bit different than getting an actual title shot and was definitely the right move to make considering the UFC didn't have any fighters for them to fight. I also think you missed the point of my post. You should re-read it. It was a rebuttal to your "apples to apples" comparison. My Jake Shields comment was in reference to the UFC most likely learning a lesson in promoting a so called Champ from Strikeforce with the kind of hype they put behind him. And yes, the UFC could do a Champ vs Champ promotion but you fail to realize that most casual fans have most likely never heard of Rockhold. So they could promote another fight just as easily or maybe even easier. And if the lesson from Shields was learned, they may be smart enough not to touch the Champ vs Champ promo with him. Oh and Diaz, was a UFC and Pride fighter before he went to Strikeforce, so he already had a name behind him that was well known. Rockhold might be the fight to make, I was not completely disputing that. I was however disputing your comparison of Strikeforce and Pride.
  • 01-29-2013, 08:29 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    it wouldnt be fair to have Anderson fight Weidman on only 6 months notice...

    Anderson needs atleast a year to prepare for an opponent of that caliber...

    have Chris fight Jones or Cain in the meantime. Although I dont know if he will want to come back down once he takes those belts.
  • 01-29-2013, 05:53 PM
    dbader08
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    He actually knocks him out, and then wakes him back up.
    Nog's legs definitely go limp after that 1st big shot, but he seems like he was starting to recover before the ensuing blows start to land...then again it's kind of instinctive and reactionary to have your arms up like that even if you really are pretty much out of it, but not completely out cold (Shaub vs Rothwell), so it's hard to tell...

    It does seem like he is a bit more aware of things right after that 2nd punch lands though, now that I've watched it about 10 times in a row.
  • 01-29-2013, 05:03 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by dbader08 View Post
    Those gifs of Fedor bouncing Nog's head off the canvas like a basketball will never get old.
    He actually knocks him out, and then wakes him back up.
  • 01-29-2013, 04:48 PM
    dbader08
    Those gifs of Fedor bouncing Nog's head off the canvas like a basketball will never get old.
  • 01-29-2013, 04:28 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Despite your feelings on the matter you can't stick your head in the sand and attempt to revise history. A champion is a champion until defeated.

    Some people are clearly fans of revisionist history. I am not amongst them.


    P.S. Tell me you had a problem with the title unification bout between Henderson/Rampage. You likely won't because of Henderon's popularity amongst hardcore fans.
    Yes let's use something from 5 years ago. Seems logical.

    Rockhold and superfight in the same sentence? That shit cray.

    *Oh and if we are somehow comparing Dan Henderson coming in being a dual division champion from Pride to Luke fucking Rockhold....yeah.
  • 01-29-2013, 03:58 PM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. MMA View Post
    Nog wasn't the champ in Pride. Don't you remember Fedor beating the hell out of him 4 years prior to the end of Pride to take the title? I have to add the gifs:



    Ohh late nights, I have no idea why I asked that, clearly Fedor was champ... But I'm glad you posted those gifs
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