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  • 02-02-2013, 11:37 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Hard to say... but look at who they were fighting...

    im not sold that Weidman's GNP and sub game is better than Evans. You could be right.

    Evan's standup is also FAR superior imo. He does have power and speed. His chin is a big detriment, but other than that, his standup has looked a lot better than Chris' imo, aside from that nice elbow he landed on Munoz...

    Rashad KO'd a few guys in his day. Had rampage rocked, and even caught Jones with a few good shots. Head kick, overhand, left hook.

    again its hard to compare Evans to Weidman... because of the opponents they have fought. Evans has proven success against some of the best, while Weidman's only top10 fights were against Maia and Munoz.
  • 02-02-2013, 11:25 AM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimbo> Rampage View Post
    Rashad poses a ton of problems for Anderson... He is a bigger test to him than anyone at MW... Weidman included

    Rashad is an elite wrestler. He is faster and more explosive than Chael. His takedowns are set up well and he has a very fast shot. He is also very strong. He deals more damage with his GNP than Sonnen does as well... Also less susceptible to submissions imo...

    The big question is how his chin is... Sonnen found so much success in those fights and in many of his other fights because of his ability to eat a ton of big shots and keep coming forward... While Rashad's standup is WAY better than Chaels, he gets hit less... He hasnt shown to have a granite chin. Against someone like Anderson that can be crucial.

    As far as weidman goes, we really dont know how good his chin is, its never been tested. If he does have a good chin, then his chances against Anderson increase greatly.



    Bisping was looking to pay his dues by beating someone like Vitor... Weidman has never fought someone like that.

    Have him fight someone like Okami, Vitor, or Lombard... then he will have beaten an elite MW...

    Munoz was never an elite MW in my book... Hell a win over Bisping is worth more imo.
    I agree with everything you say, especially Bisping being more deserving if he beat vitor, except I disagree that with Evans being a bigger threat than Weidman. Evans has no chance to finish Silva. He would get chewed up on the feet and doesn't possess the power to KO silva even if he caught them. Silva doesn't get the credit he deserves for the shots he has just walked through. Hendo caught him clean and it didn't rock him. Vitor landed a decent shot as well with the same effect. Evans also isn't very threatening from top position. He has good control but GNP and subs leave a lot to be desired.

    Weidman has shown he can be very dangerous with his sub game. Last time Silva had someone that is dangerous on top of him was Lutter, who also gave Silva his biggest test in the UFC next the first Sonnen fight. If Lutter didn't have a horrible weight cut he probably would have hit that armbar when he transitioned out of mount for it. It's the fact that Weidman has more dangerous ground attack than Evans that makes him a bigger threat.

    Quote Originally Posted by v3xi View Post
    Rashad would beat Weidman but I think Weidman has a better shot at beating Anderson..
    Agreed, I think Rashad could neutralize the wrestling and has an advantage on the feet.
  • 02-02-2013, 10:23 AM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    Rashad poses a ton of problems for Anderson... He is a bigger test to him than anyone at MW... Weidman included

    Rashad is an elite wrestler. He is faster and more explosive than Chael. His takedowns are set up well and he has a very fast shot. He is also very strong. He deals more damage with his GNP than Sonnen does as well... Also less susceptible to submissions imo...

    The big question is how his chin is... Sonnen found so much success in those fights and in many of his other fights because of his ability to eat a ton of big shots and keep coming forward... While Rashad's standup is WAY better than Chaels, he gets hit less... He hasnt shown to have a granite chin. Against someone like Anderson that can be crucial.

    As far as weidman goes, we really dont know how good his chin is, its never been tested. If he does have a good chin, then his chances against Anderson increase greatly.

    Quote Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris View Post
    funny how you use bisping as an example, then list 5 fighters as people you think Weidman needs to beat at least one of to get a shot.. Which of those fighters did Bisping beat to "pay his dues"?

    Way to keep talking out of your a**.
    Bisping was looking to pay his dues by beating someone like Vitor... Weidman has never fought someone like that.

    Have him fight someone like Okami, Vitor, or Lombard... then he will have beaten an elite MW...

    Munoz was never an elite MW in my book... Hell a win over Bisping is worth more imo.
  • 02-02-2013, 09:49 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. MMA View Post
    I don't think it's misleading. It's down to him and Weidman. Basically, it's if Rashad wins, he would consider Rashad versus Anderson. If he loses, it probably goes to Weidman.
    The tile implies that Rashad would get the shot if he wins and moves down. The actual article/quote says it would be between him and Weidman who gets the shot and no decision was final.
  • 02-02-2013, 06:43 AM
    trustkill
    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    Though I do think Silva's muay thai is key here - as he's known as being very strong in the clinch, something that I think vastly improves his TDD against the cage.
    Not just Silva's strength, but also his ability to slip punches and counter with lethal efficiency. The reason that most guys circle away from the cage is because it limits the space you have to be evasive. A guy like Anderson has the skills to thrive in close proximity because of his reach and ability to back people off with bone-shattering strikes.
  • 02-02-2013, 06:42 AM
    v3xi
    Rashad would beat Weidman but I think Weidman has a better shot at beating Anderson. Gonna be another boring fight with a typical outcome, and Anderson has the Rashad/Machida fight to draw from.
  • 02-02-2013, 06:34 AM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    They do so by paying their dues like Bisping and taking on high caliber fights. Wake me up when Weidman fights Vitor, Sonnen, Hendo, Rashad, Okami. Yanno guys that actually pose a threat to his skillset?

    Weidman needs a win over another big name. Beating a raggedy assed Munoz isn't enough.
    If you put Bisping in Weidman's shoes he woulda got his title shot months ago.
  • 02-02-2013, 04:28 AM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by CtGreat View Post
    I think its a brilliant strategy. When you take away a wrestlers ability to gain momentum, it makes achieving a takedown 10x more difficult. Wrestlers like GSP, Sonnen, Evans, etc; most of their takedowns are achieved more towards the center of the octagon. So being against the cage makes it almost impossible to obtain a highcrotch, power double, etc since you cant drive your opponent backwards or sideways as easily.

    I would like to see more fighters try to adopt this technique
    I hadn't really thought about how bad the leverage is, even for a high crotch, when your pressing into the cage. I like this man, would love to see more guys try it too. Though I do think Silva's muay thai is key here - as he's known as being very strong in the clinch, something that I think vastly improves his TDD against the cage.
  • 02-02-2013, 01:53 AM
    W.Silva>C.Norris
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    They do so by paying their dues like Bisping and taking on high caliber fights. Wake me up when Weidman fights Vitor, Sonnen, Hendo, Rashad, Okami. Yanno guys that actually pose a threat to his skillset?

    Weidman needs a win over another big name. Beating a raggedy assed Munoz isn't enough.
    funny how you use bisping as an example, then list 5 fighters as people you think Weidman needs to beat at least one of to get a shot.. Which of those fighters did Bisping beat to "pay his dues"?

    Way to keep talking out of your a**.
  • 02-02-2013, 01:32 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    It amazes me how anyone can knock Chris Weidman's opponents. I guess I'm the only one that remembers things like him beating former middleweight title challenger/currently flying up the welterweight rankings contender Damien Maia, destroying a guy who was knocking on the door of a title shot in Mark Munoz (oh wait Bisping called him fat, so he sucks, disregard this one I guess), he is 9-0, he beat Sakara and Lawlor (not easy fights), and he took several fights on extremely short notice. I think that is more impressive that beating little nog (probably), losing to Bones, and beating Phil Davis, Tito, and rampage in his last five fights.

    How are new guys supposed to get title shots if the same old guys keep getting them based on the strength of their whole resume. Sports are alot of "what have you done for me lately", and that is the way it should be.
    They do so by paying their dues like Bisping and taking on high caliber fights. Wake me up when Weidman fights Vitor, Sonnen, Hendo, Rashad, Okami. Yanno guys that actually pose a threat to his skillset?

    Weidman needs a win over another big name. Beating a raggedy assed Munoz isn't enough.
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