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  • 02-19-2013, 07:23 PM
    Sniggles
    Isn't Chael Sonnen Dana White's new bestie?
  • 02-19-2013, 04:18 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    USA TODAY: White, Henderson, Belfort and the many views on TRT | News

    "I continue to make sure I stay within the normal range," said Henderson, an Olympic wrestler and former MMA champion who received a therapeutic-use exemption from the Nevada State Athletic Commission in 2007 that allows him to use synthetic testosterone. "I would really love for the UFC and all of MMA to implement random drug testing for all athletes. I think that would cut down on people who get on this and they know they're not going to be tested for a while, so they might be abusing it."

    According to UFC President Dana White, that additional testing is on its way, at least for known TRT users. In an abrupt about-face on the treatment he once lauded as fair and legal, White told reporters in London this past weekend that "a couple of situations" recently have changed his mind.

    "I don't like it, and I'm going to fight it," White said. "And if you are using TRT in the UFC, we're going to start testing the s--- out of you through your entire camp."

    That's fine with Henderson (29-8 MMA, 6-2 UFC), who faces Lyoto Machida (18-3 MMA, 10-3 UFC) in the co-main event of Saturday's UFC 157 event (pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET). He's done his own testing for years just to ensure he stays within the range prescribed by his doctor, he said, but it's still hard not to wonder if allowing a professional fighter to inject synthetic testosterone – even if it is kept within a certain range – is such a great idea.

    "Of course it's going to help him out," said Machida, 34, who hopes to earn a title shot with a win over Henderson on Saturday. "He's over 40. He's going to benefit from it. He wouldn't do it if he didn't benefit from it."

    But how much of a benefit is too much? And who should be allowed to receive it? And what happens if they receive more than they ought to? These are questions that both the sport and the UFC are still struggling with, but at least the powers that be finally seem to be in pursuit of the right answers.

    It's a conversation Henderson welcomes, he said. Those who would rather avoid it may soon have no choice.
  • 02-18-2013, 02:06 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    White's TRT turnaround a good start, but where does the UFC go from here? | News

    But announcing an intention to “test the s--- out of" officially licensed TRT users still leaves us with plenty of questions. For instance:

    1. What about the unofficial users? And, don't kid yourself, they're out there. The way it works is, if you apply for a therapeutic-use exemption in, say, Nevada, you're subject to testing that you otherwise wouldn't have to worry about. Fighters with TUEs have to undergo blood tests that look at their exact testosterone levels. Fighters without TUEs just have to worry about the regular urine tests. Those tests look at testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratios, but they can't detect the presence of synthetic testosterone. If you're adept enough at managing your T/E ratio, you're actually better off not applying for a TUE, since that only opens you up to more testing. Nevada even allows a T/E ratio of up to 6/1 (1/1 is normal for most men), so you don't even have to be that good at managing it. Applying for a TUE not only opens you up to more tests, it also makes you look like a cheater in the eyes of many fans, and, as of Friday, puts you in direct opposition to the UFC president. As long as no commission is doing the carbon-isotope ratio testing that detects synthetic testosterone, you might as well do your own TRT program on the sneak tip. If the UFC ramps up testing on fighters who have requested and received TUEs, won't that provide more of an incentive to do it secretly, without permission?

    2. What happens if you get caught? Say you're a fighter with a testosterone exemption and the UFC calls you up three weeks before your fight and tells you to go submit a blood sample. Say the test reveals that your testosterone levels are absurdly high. Or, say you know your levels will be high, so you put the test off for a few days and make up some excuse about, I don't know, your free Harley-Davidson breaking down. What then? Does the UFC suspend you? Refer you to the athletic commission? Privately scold you and tell you to get your act together? Ideally, a situation like that would scrap a fight, but that would require the UFC to be willing to take money out of its own pocket. What if it's the main event? What if it's one of these superfights the UFC keeps promising us? The UFC has a pretty good record for reporting drug test failures after the fact in unregulated territories like the U.K., but how much do we trust the UFC to work against its own immediate financial interests for the sake of cleaning up the sport?

    3. If the UFC can do this, why can't it do more? In the past when we've suggested that the UFC implement its own out-of-competition testing program, White has claimed that it would be unrealistic, if not downright impossible. Usually he responds by pointing out how many continents he's set foot on that week, and then contrasting that with how many fighters Zuffa has under contract at any given time. Of course, no one's asking White to personally draw each fighter's blood, but he does have a point when he says that such a program would be costly for the UFC, which would then still be subject to the whims of various athletic commissions (aka “the government") anyway. But once you start doing some of your own testing, that argument loses force. If the testing program succeeds, that just proves that you can clean the sport up if you want to. If you don't expand the program to all fighters and all banned substances, you're essentially admitting that you're only willing to spend the money testing some fighters for some things. Not only will that tell fighters which PEDs they should use if they want to avoid extra scrutiny, it also tells fans that there's a definite limit to how far you're willing to go in order to give them the cleanest, fairest competition possible.

    All this is not meant to beat up on the UFC, which is at least moving in the right direction. It's doing more than any other fight promotion to combat performance-enhancing drug use, and it deserves recognition for that. But just because you make one improvement doesn't mean there aren't other problems that still need fixing.
  • 02-17-2013, 10:13 PM
    Kimbo> Rampage
    I wouldnt mind seeing the TUE for TRT go away completely... sometimes life is like that... tough shit, if you want to compete in this sport, you cant do that...

    although I do see how that would put some fighters in a tough position, and know some of them would have legit reasons and be 100% honest with it... but if TUE's for TRT sticks around, and more and more fighters are getting on it, as we have seen.... there needs to be a lot more regulation and tests for those with the exemptions... Year round imo... as simply fight time is not enough... And yes, test everybody more... because they could just as easily be doing things on the "off season" or during camp. Atleast with the top fighters and big name guys to start with.
  • 02-17-2013, 10:00 PM
    Pasha K
    If they really want a super clean fight, they must do testings for everything, not only for TRT.

    TRT is not the only thing that fighters can properly cycle and use to cheat.
  • 02-17-2013, 08:00 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsteven View Post
    I kind of agree here . It has a legit spot in all of sports IMO but it is easy to abuse. More stringent testing should help negate that. And damn DW sounds like he has recently been burned on this topic somehow. Sounds personal!
    I think Marquardt burned him. I believe--obviously, I don't know a thing, but I think he knew full well, and trusted Nate to come in under the limit. I think that's why his reaction was so vociferous.

    I think this latest outcry is a reaction to Belfort headkicking the PPV sales right out of a Bisping/Anderson Silva card.



    I'm interested in some developments, however. When I first read about TRT, I was under the impression that the levels a fighter was allowed were not "those of a 25" year old, but rather the minimum norm for someone of his age group.

    There is still a huge difference between a TRT user and a TRT abuser. I've always thought the easiest way to deal with that would be to test a fighter routinely throughout camp. And the UFC have always had the power to do that...but they've chosen to look the other way till now.

    And I'm 100% convinced that if a golden boy in the UFC was on TRT--say, Georges, Anderson, Evans or even Bisping, dana wouldn't be suddenly against it. I really think this is a reaction to losing the Anderson/Bisping fight and having to deal with Anderson's parasites as a result.

    rh
  • 02-17-2013, 12:55 PM
    sonofsteven
    I kind of agree here . It has a legit spot in all of sports IMO but it is easy to abuse. More stringent testing should help negate that. And damn DW sounds like he has recently been burned on this topic somehow. Sounds personal!
  • 02-17-2013, 09:54 AM
    Cat--Smasher







    http://www.mmaweekly.com/ufc-preside...se-by-fighters
    If you want to do it, you can’t put it in your chin and you certainly can’t put it into your heart,” Watson declared. “You want to take drugs? You want to be a cheat? Let me fight you and let’s see what happens.”

    During the UFC on Fuel TV 7 post-fight press conference, UFC president Dana White said he plans on taking a hardline stance on the controversial therapy’s use in his organization.

    “If you asked me three months ago, it’s legal. It’s sports science, but everybody figures out a way to take a great thing and cheat and make it bad,” said White.

    “Those of you who know what testosterone replacement is, if you’re older, your testosterone starts to get lower. They can give you testosterone to get you back up to (the level of) a 25-year-old. What guys are doing, I believe guys are doing, is jacking up this stuff through the roof through their entire training camp then getting back down to normal levels right before the fight, which is cheating. I hate it. I don’t like it. I’m going to fight it. And if you are using TRT in the UFC, we’re going to start testing the (expletive) out of you, through your entire camp,” White added.

    Testosterone replacement therapy is legal. Fighters who are using it apply for a therapeutic use exemption from the athletic commissions.

    “We’re regulated by the government. We have the strictest regulation in sports. If other sports were under the same regulations as we are, there would be a lot of guys getting busted left and right in other sports. I’m not taking a jab. I’m just being honest. The TRT thing is legal. The commission lets guys use testosterone replacement therapy. I believe that guys are cheating on it,” said White.

    “I truly believe guys are cheating on it, and I don’t like to see a natural gifted athlete go in and fight against a guy who has been jacked up on TRT for three months.”

    Cheating isn’t the only concern White has about TRT. It’s a relatively new therapy. Not a lot is widely known about it, and there’s the philosophical question of medically enhancing athletes through hormone therapy. Just because something is legal, doesn’t always make it right.
  • 02-17-2013, 01:49 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoose View Post
    pm and i will let you know I can't say on here
  • 02-17-2013, 01:30 AM
    joeodd2
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    Dana Fucking White always fighting for the purity of the sport as long as it is making his wallet fatter. Pashak scoot over, I'm hopping on the hate train.
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