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  • 02-28-2013, 03:58 PM
    dan the man 67
    Dana talked about this yesterday on UFC Tonight or Ultimate Insider, I forgot which one. He said that Champs will have to defend their belts at least a couple of time before they can jump to another weight. He kyboshed Bendo fighting GSP for exactly this reason. I am glad he is taking this stance before this all gets out of control, because we would soon need a fucking map to follow all of this weight-class jumping.
  • 02-28-2013, 05:26 AM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    But then there can't be a multi-division champion. Noooo!!
    In a case like Aldo, he should retain he the fight the LW champ takes place, assuming it happens. If he wins he vacates the 145 title but can still say he officially was champ of both divisions at the same time.
  • 02-28-2013, 01:50 AM
    W.Silva>C.Norris
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I think it should only happen if both champs have defended their belt 3 times already that year. If they are regularly defending their belt against the #1 contender then yeah go for it. Unfortunately that never happens.
    I was gonna say 2 times, but EXACTLY. If a champion defends their belt 2 or 3 times in 1 year, I would have absolutely no problem with them chasing a vanity fight in a different weight class. Aside from that, stay in your own division, and defend your belt.
  • 02-28-2013, 01:18 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    I think they should have to abandon their current title.
    But then there can't be a multi-division champion. Noooo!!
  • 02-28-2013, 12:48 AM
    The Donosaur
    I think it should only happen if both champs have defended their belt 3 times already that year. If they are regularly defending their belt against the #1 contender then yeah go for it. Unfortunately that never happens.
  • 02-28-2013, 12:33 AM
    SimpleJack
    I think they should have to abandon their current title.
  • 02-27-2013, 10:28 PM
    JayBird
    I'm fine with it as long as the champ has stayed active and defended their belt several times. I'm also OK with it if the move to a different weight class is permanent. (Ala Jon Jones eventually moving to HW)
  • 02-27-2013, 05:50 PM
    dan the man 67
    Couple of other points;
    In the case of Melendez, who was Strikeforce Champ - all of his opponents he beat to become SF Champ are typically UFC wannabes, meaning they are guys not good enough to be in the UFC, or were released by the UFC. So an argument can be made where all of UFCs LW fighters are better than the vast majority of SF LWs. That is not the case with Melendez himself, but is the case for the bulk of the opponents he beat. Does he deserve the immediate shot? Is Bendo going to give him a very rude awakening?

    If a Champ goes to another division to fight, you can kiss any title shots goodbye in his original weight class for at least 6 months. He'll need a minimum of 3 months to prepare for other weight class fight, then recovery time, and then start camp for the next fight. If there is a truly deserving contender in the wait, he is fucked for over half a year.
  • 02-27-2013, 04:47 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore View Post
    I think they should be able to jump once they clean out their division and the champion they are going to challenge has cleaned out theirs as well.

    So for example, Cruz bumping up to fight Aldo, but Aldo not bumping up to fight Bendo because LW is no where near cleared out.
    Yup. I agree.

    #1 contenders in a division jumping down a division and getting a title shot with the intent of moving up to LW again to fight for the LW title right afterwards is not a scenario that I endorse or even agree with, either.

    I don't agree that Pettis should be facing Aldo, but I do agree it's a great matchup stylistically.

    I believe that a fighter should have to prove himself before receiving a title shot when they enter an organization or change weight classes unless it is a champion vs. champion.

    See what happened to Lombard when he had to fight Boetsch before Anderson Silva as reasoning why. I believe a title shot is something that should be earned within the rankings of an organization. A fight or two should be necessary to determine the fighter most worthy.

    The UFC hype machine dictates what fights take place, there is no moral system in place. So our discussions on this are a moot point.
  • 02-27-2013, 04:31 PM
    lwbrewer
    Should a champ be able to jump to a different weight class I say yes, but with limitations.
    If a div has a clear contender he shouldn't be bypassed[ Weidmen, Hendricks ect...]
    Should be requrements to holding a belt must be able to defend a certain amount if not give up / interium belt.
    I am more for catch weight were the title isn't on the line just legacy.
    I don't believe a fighter able to win two weight class's would be able health wise to properly defend there belts for more than a year.

    I'm more for if you change class's [ without fighting in that div to earn a shot]and beat the champ now you earned a chance to fight for the belt.

    There's a place for vanity fights, but the UFC has lost the prespective of how and when to use them.
    They just need a basic guideline to follow as each would need judged differently.
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