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  • 03-03-2013, 02:36 AM
    Bork_Lazer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I've actually thought about this and while I was upset about Hendo losing, I have no problem with what Machida does. That being said the difference is that Machida isn't initiating any contact, and whether it's liked or not, the wrestler is the one on the offense. They may both be boring, but they are different. Like I said though I am fine with both.
    Just to clarify, what I said above was not a jab at you personally, I was just speaking generally.

    I do see the point you are making. I definitely agree with you in terms of a takedown, that is definitely an offensive move, however while on the ground, unless you are progressing towards a sub or ground in pound you are not being offensive.
  • 03-03-2013, 02:28 AM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by Bork_Lazer View Post
    (not about rather or not Fitch should have been cut!!!)

    I am intrigued by the fact that so many people are jumping on to defend Fitch's style, yet so many people are criticizing Machida for his fight against Dan Henderson.

    Machida has a very calculating and elusive stand up game, some times he finishes the fight sometimes he doesn't. He fought the same way against Bader and Henderson, he got one KO and one decision. It's not like he fought any different because it was Henderson.

    Fitch on the other has not finished a fight since 2007 (thats 6 years) and I think its pretty undeniable that he goes in to the fight to win it on points. It is very rare for you to see him really attempt a sub or for him to do major damage on a ground and pound.

    I'm trying not to hate on Fitch too much, but it's almost like he is taking advantage of a glitch on the system, he goes in knowing that if he can hold someone down for 15 minutes he will get the W, but the true point of the sport is to finish your opponent not neutralize them. That is why the ref gets to stand them up if they are not doing much, because if nothing but holding is happening then they are not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

    Not making the case that someone should be cut due to their style, that is not the point of my post at all. Just talking about how I feel about their styles.
    I've actually thought about this and while I was upset about Hendo losing, I have no problem with what Machida does. That being said the difference is that Machida isn't initiating any contact, and whether it's liked or not, the wrestler is the one on the offense. They may both be boring, but they are different. Like I said though I am fine with both.
  • 03-03-2013, 02:11 AM
    Bork_Lazer
    (not about rather or not Fitch should have been cut!!!)

    I am intrigued by the fact that so many people are jumping on to defend Fitch's style, yet so many people are criticizing Machida for his fight against Dan Henderson.

    Machida has a very calculating and elusive stand up game, some times he finishes the fight sometimes he doesn't. He fought the same way against Bader and Henderson, he got one KO and one decision. It's not like he fought any different because it was Henderson.

    Fitch on the other has not finished a fight since 2007 (thats 6 years) and I think its pretty undeniable that he goes in to the fight to win it on points. It is very rare for you to see him really attempt a sub or for him to do major damage on a ground and pound.

    I'm trying not to hate on Fitch too much, but it's almost like he is taking advantage of a glitch on the system, he goes in knowing that if he can hold someone down for 15 minutes he will get the W, but the true point of the sport is to finish your opponent not neutralize them. That is why the ref gets to stand them up if they are not doing much, because if nothing but holding is happening then they are not doing what they are supposed to be doing.

    Not making the case that someone should be cut due to their style, that is not the point of my post at all. Just talking about how I feel about their styles.
  • 03-02-2013, 02:51 AM
    Mac
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Funny how Fitch's opponents didn't train for the inevitability of being taken down.

    I guess that is Fitch's fault too.

    Blame Fitch his opponent's lack of skill and for your pea-brained inability to appreciate how and why another is successful.



    Been more interested in sports entertainment than about competition for years.

    Brock Lesnar.

    Record: 2-1.

    Title shot.
    So you did understand my point then? Good, I figured most people got it.
  • 03-02-2013, 01:35 AM
    Sniggles
    Funny how Fitch's opponents didn't train for the inevitability of being taken down.

    I guess that is Fitch's fault too.

    Blame Fitch his opponent's lack of skill and for your pea-brained inability to appreciate how and why another is successful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    When you cut top rated fighters to keep fighters with less than .500 records, you don't just get rid of boring fighters. You also get rid of legitimacy.
    If the UFC wants to be more about entertainment than competition then fine, just come out and say it instead of pretending you want to be a real sport.
    Been more interested in sports entertainment than about competition for years.

    Brock Lesnar.

    Record: 2-1.

    Title shot.
  • 03-02-2013, 01:22 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by Flynnja View Post
    Maybe if Fitch talked like someone from the WWE none of this would matter. It seems to be working for another guy that always seems to dodge the blanket jab, in fact he's fighting for a title. Go figure.
    Fitch is boring as fuck.

  • 03-01-2013, 10:33 PM
    lwbrewer
    read only Kenny's and posting [sorry if repeating someone]
    I can see there point as they just absorbed several fights from SF, but don't completely agree. You can put on exciting fights lose and stick around Pat Berry comes to mind, but other factors might of keep him around. Problem I see is fighters worthy of making a title run may risk it trying to be exciting over winning, but loss's at this time doesn't seem to hurt some people for title fights.lol. IMO reasons for this in order Money, show ref's and judges what they want, and they want to be a sport but like the entertainment style of picking fights better.
  • 03-01-2013, 10:21 PM
    hass
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    MMA was born from mixing martial arts, as in using various martial arts to find a hole in your opponents fighting game. It is a wrestling match if your opponent can't stop a takedown. It is a bjj match if your guy can't stop a submission. It is a striking competition if the other fellow can't block a punch or a kick. It is not what you want it to be unless you are the guy fighting that has the better skill set.
    Mixing Martial Arts as in beating up your're opponent to win the fight. Mixed as in a wrestler wrestles someone down and either pounds them into a TKO or grabs a submission. Mixing as in a BJJ practioner squeezes someone in a hold while they pound them with punches.

    What freaking wrestler fights in MMA cause he wants pin a guy down for 3 rounds. He'd wrestle if he wanted to do that. I'd love to poll fighters as to why they got into it. I'm willing to bet that their vision of themselves is beating someone up - KO, Submission, TKO.
  • 03-01-2013, 10:03 PM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRpickup View Post
    i beleive the ufc dropped the ball here. I believe that rule changes like the staulling rule and standing them up if a fighter takes his time with the lay n pray would be alot more productive. Right now fighters that just stand and bang have an advantage. that's just plain stupid. Fighters will be tentative to exploite a fighter that doesn defend takedowns well. so the ufc will change the sport to a toughman challenge. (slight exageration) You cut Fitch.....thats just plain stupid.

    Bellator will do well. and when they do well enough cause a ppv buy loss for ufc..they will buy them. A monopoly is bad for mma unless there is a fighter union. laugh at me if you will but its true.

    I do understand that its a business/sport....but i beleive its now more business than sport when they put entertainment above winning.

    in Hockey, the NJ devils using the neutral zone trap won the stanley cup.an extremely boring team but effective..unbeatable. The nhl saw the problems and changed rules like the clutchiung and grabbing and teams learned to adjust better. teams just had to learn how to get by the trap. The UFc can learn from this. the stauling has to stop. the lay n pray ahs to stop. change rules to accomidate. i know this takes time....initiate this.

    I think the problem would eventually take care of itself as younger athletes learn that they need to be good at every martial art in order to succeed in mma. I have never thought that a boring fight was the fault of the "lay and pray" guy. I have always thought it was the fault of the guy who knew he was gonna face someone with good wrestling, but still got taken down at least 3 times.
  • 03-01-2013, 09:57 PM
    The Donosaur
    Quote Originally Posted by hass View Post


    It'll be years because the UFC is currently capitalizing on branding MMA. I don't agree with them branding UFC as MMA but it is what it is. Constant increase of ratings will bring MMA to be covered by major sports networks more comparatively to MLB, NFL etc. Once it reaches that status, hopefully they won't worry about a guy that keeps winning (high ranking), but doesn't draw people to a card; i.e. the people will tune in regardless like its Sunday football. It'd be great if we didn't have to Pay Per View for almost every fight.

    MMA was born from fighting. It's not a wrestling match, grappling session, or fencing.
    MMA was born from mixing martial arts, as in using various martial arts to find a hole in your opponents fighting game. It is a wrestling match if your opponent can't stop a takedown. It is a bjj match if your guy can't stop a submission. It is a striking competition if the other fellow can't block a punch or a kick. It is not what you want it to be unless you are the guy fighting that has the better skill set.
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