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  • 05-10-2013, 10:42 PM
    FFFRpickup
    I'd like somebody to justify Nate Diaz being ranked above Anthony pettis.
  • 03-11-2013, 08:04 PM
    mulefloyd
    Rankings are pretty good.

    Imo, you guys need to merge 2 of your criteria: soft rankings & "based on where they were ranked at the time of the fight".

    Let me explain. I do most of my activity on tapology.com now mostly because of the way they're setup to keep track of picks and individual rankings. NOBODY who picks all the fights picks above 65% so to simplify, 1 out of 3 picks are wrong. This needs to be taken into account when considering past fights. If the ranking was unjustified or "soft" then it should be adjusted accordingly depending on the outcome.

    I think it's good that you're all willing to discuss your reasons for ranking. Discussion and an open mind can be amazing.
  • 03-10-2013, 01:28 AM
    Dr. MMA
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Dave Herman, not Ed. Ed is a MW.

    rh
    I really need to stop posting after midnight. That's two in one thread.
  • 03-09-2013, 05:50 PM
    KevoOnTheRadio
  • 03-09-2013, 01:10 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. MMA View Post
    Big Nog is suffering from that currently. He was hard-ranked at one point. He was the #2 HW when he lost to Mir the first time, stayed in the top 5 by beating Couture, and then lost a couple of spots losing to Velasquez. He had a long lay-off and when he came back beat a top 10 in Schuab, lost to a higher ranked fighter in Mir, and then beat Ed Herman (unranked). If all that happened in a much shorter duration, his ranking wouldn't be as unstable. The problem is that many of those accomplishments are getting outdated. A bad to loss to Werdum hurts him badly. Barnett, in my opinion, is in the same boat.
    Dave Herman, not Ed. Ed is a MW.

    rh
  • 03-09-2013, 11:40 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    You know, I think incessant whining was exactly what was missing from the team, and can only improve on their efforts. You've certainly got my vote.

    rh
    Yes!
  • 03-09-2013, 06:47 AM
    Dr. MMA
    Soft ranking has nothing at all to do with a fighter's name. I could care less who's mainstream or not. It's about the stability of the person's position. Guys who move up the ladder by defeating higher ranked fighters consistently will be considered "hard-ranked". Thus, if they suffer a loss, their ranking won't suffer greatly (unless of course it's to a much lower ranked fighter).

    On the other hand, a person can be considered soft-ranked for a couple of reasons. First, they gain their ranking by one big win without much credibility prior to that. This was the case with Lesnar (not a top 10) when he beat Couture. People had an extremely hard time ranking him. Another case was when Mir beat Big Nog the 1st time. He wasn't even in the top 10 either. For those type of fighters to stabilize their position, they had to continue to beat strong opposition. Otherwise a loss would boot them down as fast as they moved up. Overeem's ranking has been in jeopardy in the same manner.

    The second reason for someone being soft-ranked is due to long lay-offs that start to devalue their previous accomplishments. Big Nog is suffering from that currently. He was hard-ranked at one point. He was the #2 HW when he lost to Mir the first time, stayed in the top 5 by beating Couture, and then lost a couple of spots losing to Velasquez. He had a long lay-off and when he came back beat a top 10 in Schuab, lost to a higher ranked fighter in Mir, and then beat Ed Herman (unranked). If all that happened in a much shorter duration, his ranking wouldn't be as unstable. The problem is that many of those accomplishments are getting outdated. A bad to loss to Werdum hurts him badly. Barnett, in my opinion, is in the same boat.
  • 03-09-2013, 03:11 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    But maybe one day I'll get my treehouse pass back to contribute.
    You know, I think incessant whining was exactly what was missing from the team, and can only improve on their efforts. You've certainly got my vote.

    rh
  • 03-09-2013, 02:41 AM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I don't find that combat sports has ever been comparable to team sports, but you're always welcome to do your own rankings.
    But they aren't that far off as you would think. Teams grow as one unit, they fall as one unit, they become stagnant as one unit much like a fighter. But taking in to account what Big Nog did 50 years ago is doing an injustice to the fighters who are winning today.

    But maybe one day I'll get my treehouse pass back to contribute.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I agree with looking at an entire career, such as it is.
    Well at least with this criteria, BJ Penn will always be ranked.
  • 03-08-2013, 11:52 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Shouldn't they only look at 12 to 24 months? Could you imagine a sports team of any kind being ranked high because of what they did 4 years ago?
    I don't find that combat sports has ever been comparable to team sports, but you're always welcome to do your own rankings. I agree with looking at an entire career, such as it is. Obviously, recent activity is weighted heavily, but inactivity and injuries can hamper a fighter for a year or more, and I don't feel that they should impact the rankings as much.

    If a fighter like Struve has never beaten a top 15 fighter, and is on a four fight win streak against B and C levels, I can't see ranking him above Nog, who was a top 5 guy two years ago, and has beaten B and C level guys every time he's fought them, but lost to guys in the top 10...one of them being the current champ in the division.

    But again, that's my opinion, you're always welcome to your own.

    rh
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