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  • 03-22-2013, 02:34 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by deadstealth View Post
    This one didnt really say anything. It can slow your heart rate, relax your muscles, but how is this bad? They say it can do this or it can do that, but I dont care about what something CAN do, what does it ACTUALLY do?
    Yeah...because 4x the risk of stroke is something to be readily dismissed.

    I get it.

    You refuse to believe anything. You asked for sources--but then you supply a bunch of anecdotal bullshit in another thread--and then you refuse to believe them.

    I could go and refute all the bullshit claims you have below, but I'm not going to bother. The research is there, it's valid, you're not going to accept it, so whatever.

    You're free to believe whatever nonsense you want.

    So far your links are a bunch of hoopla, but yeah, I challenge you to show me more easily dismissed citations than what youve already shown. I dont think you can do it for one more round much less a whole day...
    please, kid. you aren't worth the time. You're not going to read them, you're not going to believe anything that doesn't coincide with your skewed sense of reality.

    You know what the difference is between us? I don't have a problem with weed. I don't have a problem with people who love weed. I have a problem with misinformation. You have a problem with anyone who doesn't love weed.

    Nevar
    ...and here I thought all that research about long term excessive use affecting cognition was a bunch of hoopla.

    Excellent spelling there, smokey.

    rh
  • 03-21-2013, 11:33 PM
    deadstealth
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    This one didnt really say anything. It can slow your heart rate, relax your muscles, but how is this bad? They say it can do this or it can do that, but I dont care about what something CAN do, what does it ACTUALLY do?


    THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE
    Not a government-sponsored study.

    This one starts with a preface of "there is still much research to be done, here is our inconclusive results" Next it says how its safer than every other recreational drug. Next we get into a list of hypotheticals where, just as the last link, you see a lot of "it could" or "combined wtih this, and on this person with this condition, it can..." and not much of "it does cause this" or "it will" do anything. There are no studies on people that only smoke mj, (or only vape, or only edibles) so the variable of tobacco use throws off many of these studies. You can say mj causes a respiratory problem when the subject smokes tobacco. Then it says "it has been suggested" so everything after that is bs, then concludes with "it has many indirect effects on health" which is fitting seeing how the article didnt cite one direct negative effect on health.


    The Health Effects of Marijuana

    Now were citing athe alcoholism section of about.com for mj....Please cite some more bc i really feel like youre reaching here...

    So it starts with a "sometimes it can" and then a "at high doses users can" rather than anything about what will actually happen. We hear about the blood pressure and heart rate, they say it increases the risk of a heart attack which so does high intensity exercise, sex, genetics, diet, and numerous other factors. Again there are too many variables and not enough research to tie mj directly to a significant increase in heart attacks. People with already weakened cardiovascular systems were studied, that is not an objective study when they have pre-existing conditions. 100% of people with heart attacks reported use of water within 48 hours before having the heart attack. So surely the water caused it.

    Next it goes on to lung function, and how smoking can make you cough and have chest infections and higher risk for illness. That is a statement on smoking anything rather than mj. Other illnesses having negative effects on you isnt mj having negative effects on you.All this says nothing on edible mj.

    The cancer section is especially tricky. They say since carcinogens are in tar (a byproduct of smoking moreso than mj itself) and tar causes cancer (were they studying people that smoked mj exclusively or had they smoked tobacco as well?) and ends with a whopper "it would seem logical to deduce" and lastly " Even though researchers have yet to "prove" a link between smoking pot and lung cancer," which for the first time in any of your links someone commits to a sentence.



    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I can do this all day without even getting into government sites--that you'll immediately dismiss out of paranoid delusion--or neurological pathway development concerns.
    So far your links are a bunch of hoopla, but yeah, I challenge you to show me more easily dismissed citations than what youve already shown. I dont think you can do it for one more round much less a whole day...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    Riv wins. Game over.
    Nevar
  • 03-20-2013, 08:30 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by SWIFTboy View Post
    I'm just quoting Joseph Heller, none of my posts are really original material.

    Quote by Joseph Heller: It doesn't make sense. It isn't even good gramm...

    Just read Catch 22 recently and thought you were referencing it.
    I should have caught that, Catch 22 is one of my very favorite books.

    I've been reading about the Shining Path...it was a vague reference to that.

    rh
  • 03-20-2013, 08:19 PM
    SWIFTboy
    I'm just quoting Joseph Heller, none of my posts are really original material.

    Quote by Joseph Heller: It doesn't make sense. It isn't even good gramm...

    Just read Catch 22 recently and thought you were referencing it.
  • 03-19-2013, 09:19 PM
    Luc1an
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    Riv wins. Game over.
    Riv always wins, even when he loses, he somehow wins.
  • 03-19-2013, 09:05 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by SWIFTboy View Post
    Rivethead thinks they're going to dissapear him.
    It doesn't make sense. It is even good grammar.
    disappear as a transitive verb:
    Disappear - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Definition of DISAPPEAR
    intransitive verb
    1: to pass from view
    2: to cease to be : pass out of existence or notice
    transitive verb
    : to cause the disappearance of
    Then again, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after you.
    Good thing I'm the Gingerbread Man!

    rh
  • 03-19-2013, 08:10 PM
    SWIFTboy
    Rivethead thinks they're going to dissapear him.
    It doesn't make sense. It is even good grammar.

    Then again, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't after you.
  • 03-17-2013, 06:38 PM
    TheKidInside
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    In business and capitalism, more money is the only desire.

    Fuck you, pay me!
    Wrong. Capitalism is inherently a voluntarily and MUTUAL agreement between a seller and a buyer. Corporatism is not Capitalism. As stated in other places, there's plenty of ethical and green companies who provide quality goods, so as usual, you're painting with a very broad brush.
  • 03-17-2013, 02:59 PM
    The Donosaur
    Riv wins. Game over.
  • 03-17-2013, 02:46 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by deadstealth View Post
    Cite sources. You are talking out your ass. Mj is a remarkably non-toxic substance. What you posted is hyperbole at best.
    Cannabis intoxication has been found to reduce the level of exercise which can be tolerated before the onset of angina[iv].to a greater extent than a high-nicotine tobacco cigarette[v]. Cardiovascular symptoms have been attributed to cannabis use, either alone (stroke)[vi], or in combination with alcohol and cocaine[vii].
    Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information
    That's from a pro-use site, son.

    Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

    Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker�s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms,
    THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE
    Not a government-sponsored study.

    Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.

    Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.
    The Health Effects of Marijuana

    I can do this all day without even getting into government sites--that you'll immediately dismiss out of paranoid delusion--or neurological pathway development concerns.

    In the prison. $3/day is slave labor. Oh, you didnt know?
    Exactly where am I advocating prison? Your efforts are actually a great illustration of my point.

    I'm advocating education, to counter the bullshit unsubstantiated anecdotal nonsense geniuses like you spew about it being 100% harmless. I'm fine with people making their own choices, as long as they make informed choices. It would be great if they were old enough to make those choices when they're old enough to reduce risk, but I understand that's a utopian ideal as well.

    Google what? That was a fairly personal, off topic attack. You mad? Ive forgot more about mj than you will ever know
    I'm sure you've forgotten a lot about weed.


    I'm sure you've forgotten a lot...in general.

    .... Excuse me while i roll another blunt and count my stacks.
    I'll give you the same recommendation I give all users. If you're smoking more than 3 times a month, switch to a vape.

    rh
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