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  • 04-02-2013, 01:20 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    When people say Georges has the best MMA wrestling, that implies the inclusion of striking something in which Askren is shall we say... deficient.
    right...but there are just as many clueless idiots who say he's the best wrestler in MMA.

    that's something entirely different.

    rh
  • 04-01-2013, 11:57 PM
    Sniggles
    When people say Georges has the best MMA wrestling, that implies the inclusion of striking something in which Askren is shall we say... deficient.
  • 04-01-2013, 11:25 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    No thanks.

    Askren did not earn any chance of siphoning fame from GSP.
    Yeah!!! All his accomplishments in wrestling are total bullshit, because college wrestling is totes scripted ever since Vince McMahon bought the NCAA.

    Everyone should just go on calling Georges the bestest wrestler in the history of tight shorts, and they'd be totes right!!!








    ...or you could say he's not siphoning anything, he's just got a problem with a commonly stated gross inaccuracy.

    rh
  • 04-01-2013, 09:59 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I'm left with the impression that Georges excites a significant demographic to the point where they'd watch him take a dump.

    I'd watch the holy hell out of a pure wrestling exhibition match with him in it. I wish there were more showcase exhibition events like that. Throw Diaz against, I don't know, Marcus Davis in a pure boxing match, or Anderson vs. Lil Nog. No kicks, knees or elbows, no dirty boxing, no clinchwork against the cage. Roger vs. Magalhães in a BJJ comp, with gi's.

    I honestly think anyone who trains, or who is even interested in the individual disciplines that comprise MMA would be stoked about that. It would be a great way to shore up some of the mediocre cards that zuffa drops.

    rh
    No thanks.

    Askren did not earn any chance of siphoning fame from GSP.
  • 04-01-2013, 08:47 PM
    lwbrewer
    RH I think your onto something. If the UFC held a exhibition of a discipline on a fx card to enlighten some people what is really going on. That on the ground isn't all hugging. Maybe the judges could watch and learn to.
    Hawkeye 1 + 1 =2 thats how simple I feel DW see's no need to respond to Askren.
    If it were to happen the +&-'s UFC + not much if any if GSP wins he's already hyped the best no need for proof. - almost everything one it gives Bellator exposure and Askren plus everything rh already stated
  • 04-01-2013, 07:16 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    ok..so lets put all the crazy nuthugger shit aside for a minute. instead of saying "hey Dana, i can beat your top guy make it happen"; hes saying "I need your money so let me repeatedly hug your top guy till i can pay for my trainers"????? ...

    H.
    You aren't getting it. Not even close.

    Georges is billed as the best wrestler in MMA. dana promotes that. Askren has a far more legitimate claim to that title, and thus he has a point.

    Let's put all the actual identities aside for a moment and try to simplify the situation:

    Let's say you have a guy who promotes bi-athalons [ski/shoot]. He pimps one of his athletes--we'll call him Jorge--as the "best shot on the planet."

    A guy who may actually be the best shot on the planet--but who couldn't handle the skiing aspect as fluidly as Jorge--takes offense to the accolades Jorge is getting, and says "OK, let's have a shootout exhibition. No skiing, but since your guy is billed as the best shot eva; you and I can bet $1000 a bullseye."

    It wouldn't mean this guy is a better bi-athlete than Jorge...but it would mean he's a better shot.


    You're fixated on devaluing anything Askren brings to the table, and I can understand that. I don't like Askren, but I don't think he needs to "pay for his trainers" and I certainly don't dismiss takedowns as simply "repeatedly hugging" someone.

    Georges is a better mixed martial artist than Askren. It's not even close. It's not even close to being close. Georges is a far, far better striker than Ben, and that's not even bringing up the best part of St. Pierre's game: how fluidly he transitions between striking and grappling. But he's not the best wrestler in MMA. There are several better wrestlers, and Askren is most definitely one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Hey RH, you and i both know DW has a huge ego,but i think he blows this off as "anyone from bellator isnt worth talking about" approach.
    I don't think dana is particularly intelligent, but he's not a complete fool. This is a lose/lose/lose proposition for him. He loses money, he loses face, and his fighter is devalued on the open market. dana has played it well enough so that zuffa no longer even has to market Georges as "the best wrestler in MMA." He's established legions of fanboys who will do that for him--many of whom have convinced themselves that Georges not only has a legitimate chance to beat Askren--in a pure wrestling bout--but but would beat him so badly that meh, why even bother?

    So dana will just ignore this and hope Askren goes away. I'm really betting he wished Bellator had signed Fitch, because if Fitch beat Ben, dana could then laugh and say "a guy who couldn't even cut it in the UFC beat the bellator champ."

    rh
  • 04-01-2013, 07:00 PM
    Hawkeye
    Hey RH, you and i both know DW has a huge ego,but i think he blows this off as "anyone from bellator isnt worth talking about" approach.
    never know..It would happen..Right.

    H.
  • 04-01-2013, 06:56 PM
    Hawkeye
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    You're close.

    Askren says he thinks he'd beat Georges in an MMA fight, but he knows the fight won't happen.

    When he criticized Georges performance against Nick, GSP fanboys went wild, much the same as your response above: How dare he...blah, blah, blah.

    So he's challenging dana to a bet: Askren vs. Georges in a TD expo for 1000 a takedown. He's not expecting Georges to pay anything, he's putting his money against dana's.

    dana has not responded.

    Georges is often called the best wrestler in MMA, and his 'huggers have entirely inflated the Canadian Olympic Team fiasco to the point where they think he was actually offered a spot. Askren, as an actual wrestler is probably annoyed at the overhype and inaccuracies. This is an opportunity for an over-hype-artist to put his money where his mouth is.

    again, dana has not responded.


    In an actual MMA bout, I think Georges kills Askren. But I don't think he wrestles with him at all, and I don't think he finishes Ben.

    rh
    ok..so lets put all the crazy nuthugger shit aside for a minute. instead of saying "hey Dana, i can beat your top guy make it happen"; hes saying "I need your money so let me repeatedly hug your top guy till i can pay for my trainers"?????
    And with his Bellator contract ala Eddie Alvarez. he has as a good a chance at the UFC as marvin the martian does at winning ms Teen America.

    H.
  • 04-01-2013, 05:09 PM
    rivethead
    You're close.

    Askren says he thinks he'd beat Georges in an MMA fight, but he knows the fight won't happen.

    When he criticized Georges performance against Nick, GSP fanboys went wild, much the same as your response above: How dare he...blah, blah, blah.

    So he's challenging dana to a bet: Askren vs. Georges in a TD expo for 1000 a takedown. He's not expecting Georges to pay anything, he's putting his money against dana's.

    dana has not responded.

    Georges is often called the best wrestler in MMA, and his 'huggers have entirely inflated the Canadian Olympic Team fiasco to the point where they think he was actually offered a spot. Askren, as an actual wrestler is probably annoyed at the overhype and inaccuracies. This is an opportunity for an over-hype-artist to put his money where his mouth is.

    again, dana has not responded.


    In an actual MMA bout, I think Georges kills Askren. But I don't think he wrestles with him at all, and I don't think he finishes Ben.

    rh
  • 04-01-2013, 04:32 PM
    Hawkeye
    so let me get this straight; this guy has an 11-0 record beating up pilons and cans, and knows he cant beat GSP in an actual MMA fight so he challenges him to a takedown contest for money????
    Wow, Bellator needs to pay their fighters more if this is what he needs to do to pay rent.



    H.
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