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  • 04-14-2013, 06:18 PM
    TheKidInside
    Quote Originally Posted by lwbrewer View Post
    Kidinside that explains a lot more and makes sense, but will Cezar involve to newer thing or is he past his max and declining with his style.
    I am not sure, truth be told. As far as them getting upset at people training with other camps, as much as I like Caio as a competitor and an acquaintance, he went to help Carlos out for a. exposure and b. money and I think it was a fucked up movie.

    For those who are speaking out of line, Cesar brought in a lot of people from over the years including AKA guys and recently some of the Dethrone affiliated dudes.

    Obviously, Cesar has other fighters but his "operation" is, as explained, very hands on and it's no secret that he's often not able to do things he needs to do. Dana White even said as much.
  • 04-14-2013, 04:51 AM
    Cat--Smasher
  • 04-13-2013, 01:43 PM
    lwbrewer
    Kidinside that explains a lot more and makes sense, but will Cezar involve to newer thing or is he past his max and declining with his style.
  • 04-13-2013, 11:16 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by TheKidInside View Post
    one of the problems with Cesar was that he was stretched too thin because he juggles a lot of things with his folks. Caio Terra spoke about this a few years ago way before he parted ways with CGJJ affiliation. This was actually still when Terra was training with Samir Chartre, Matthais Andre, etc and always said that he needed to make his own training happened more often than not between camps. So, for instance a better manager could have easily negotiated some sort of training with AKA, for wrestlers and stuff...I mean, Nick was complaining that no one in their camp could have helped him for this fight; this is a managerial role not a training role.
    On the training side of things both Cesar and the Diaz brothers have been pretty hostile to the idea of missing their training up and going elsewhere or bringing in someone not connected to the camp already. They get pissed off just if someone that was remotely associated with their training goes and trains another fighter. That's why Nick and Nate both need to look at getting out from Gracie they won't evolve anymore from the level they are at.

    I don't put much stock in what Nick had to say after the GSP fight. I would think have proper training partners would still be a coaches/trainers responsibilities as they would be a better judge of what type of partner based suits the needs of the training.
  • 04-12-2013, 11:44 PM
    dbader08
    Hopefully this is just the first straw. You never know, there could be some sort of a falling out or more of a reason for this than we know. Anything other than Cesar Gracie as a head coach would be great IMO.
  • 04-12-2013, 10:21 PM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by TheKidInside View Post
    one of the problems with Cesar was that he was stretched too thin because he juggles a lot of things with his folks. Caio Terra spoke about this a few years ago way before he parted ways with CGJJ affiliation. This was actually still when Terra was training with Samir Chartre, Matthais Andre, etc and always said that he needed to make his own training happened more often than not between camps. So, for instance a better manager could have easily negotiated some sort of training with AKA, for wrestlers and stuff...I mean, Nick was complaining that no one in their camp could have helped him for this fight; this is a managerial role not a training role.
    Cesar will still be managing other fighters though. It isn't as though Cesar made the decision to stop managing everyone and focus only on training fighters.
  • 04-12-2013, 10:17 PM
    TheKidInside
    Quote Originally Posted by lwbrewer View Post
    +2 on what Rise said. Or was this missed humor by me?
    one of the problems with Cesar was that he was stretched too thin because he juggles a lot of things with his folks. Caio Terra spoke about this a few years ago way before he parted ways with CGJJ affiliation. This was actually still when Terra was training with Samir Chartre, Matthais Andre, etc and always said that he needed to make his own training happened more often than not between camps. So, for instance a better manager could have easily negotiated some sort of training with AKA, for wrestlers and stuff...I mean, Nick was complaining that no one in their camp could have helped him for this fight; this is a managerial role not a training role.
  • 04-12-2013, 07:31 PM
    H0SS
    I hope this is the beginning of some kind of rift between Nate and Cesar, that ends with Nate moving to another camp.
  • 04-12-2013, 03:48 PM
    lwbrewer
    Quote Originally Posted by TheKidInside View Post
    Actually this will definitely impact his "fighting style" or moreso, his skill set.
    +2 on what Rise said. Or was this missed humor by me?
  • 04-12-2013, 08:22 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    How so ? Cesar is still training and cornering him as well as his camp staying as the exact same people as before. Managers handle the logistics and business side of things which Cesar is terrible at.
    Precisely.
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