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  • 04-19-2013, 06:35 PM
    IrishX(aka bornbear)
    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Yeah for sure man, but my point is that the majority of guys that fight today come primarily from one background, and whether they've wrestled since they were 8, or grew up in a boxing family, they tend to come in with a propensity towards one style. The fighter of 15 years time will have been striking and grappling since their early years, and will probably train is several of each kind of art.
    Well I guess it's just that I've been hearing that about today's fighters for a while now as well. That everyone is now a true mixed martial artist rather than a specialist in one art.

    It's funny though when you think about that old Bruce Lee quote.
    “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”

    With all these new generation kids you talk about training a mix of styles maybe they will lack because of not becoming an expert at anything.
  • 04-19-2013, 04:35 PM
    lwbrewer
    To add to DanC there will be gyms/new art were there teaching the mix of arts at once. Just as some are doing now. They won't be just wrestling under it rules than doing BJJ, Judo or what ever. The blend can take the best moves for each art and make it way better for MMA.

    Comparing fights Silva and Jones had isn't fair as Jones was a rooky when he fought Bonnar.
  • 04-19-2013, 11:13 AM
    Dan
    Quote Originally Posted by IrishX(aka bornbear) View Post
    Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo fought and trained at a young age as well... like many other mixed martial artists.
    Yeah for sure man, but my point is that the majority of guys that fight today come primarily from one background, and whether they've wrestled since they were 8, or grew up in a boxing family, they tend to come in with a propensity towards one style. The fighter of 15 years time will have been striking and grappling since their early years, and will probably train is several of each kind of art.
  • 04-19-2013, 03:19 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    I think DC is right here.

    Jones has run the gauntlet of what we all thought was the one of if not THE deepest division in MMA and absolutely destroyed legends of the sport on the way.

    Anderson is amazing and this is not a slight against him in any way. I just don't think MW has ever had the talent depth LHW has.
    Jones has a long way to go and I mean a lonnng way. We have yet to even see Jones fight someone without his ridiculous size and reach advantage. Jones also struggled against Bonnar and Belfort. Silva made both of them look foolish.

    I don't see these two anywhere near the same level and to be honest a comparison is really unfair to both of them when you take into account their age difference and accolades.

    To me its like trying to compare Kobe Bryant to Michael Jordan. Both were the greatest in their respective eras but cmon really...
  • 04-19-2013, 03:06 AM
    The Return Of......
    Just going to throw this out there. I know MW isnt as deep as LHW but is it possible that the division would look deeper if it wasnt for Anderson Silva?

    I mean think about it. If someone new to MMA comes a long and see's Jones running through everyone like he has pretty much done since winning the belt then wouldnt it be hard to make them believe just how deep the division is?

    I know MW wasnt stacked before Silva, but I think if you remove him the belt would become revolving much like it was at LHW after chuck lost the belt.

    And I think Jones is the future and has the potential to reach GOAT status...but for right now that title belongs the Silva
  • 04-18-2013, 09:02 PM
    Sniggles
    Best technique.... Anderson Silva

    Most impressive laundry list of opponents in such a short period of time.... Jones
  • 04-18-2013, 08:47 PM
    SimpleJack
    I think DanC was eluding to the inevitable progression/evolution of the sport and younger fighters.

    Like any sport, the younger generation has the ability to study today's greats and perfect their game based on what they see going on right now. There was a time when BJJ was practically unbeatable.....
  • 04-18-2013, 07:53 PM
    IrishX(aka bornbear)
    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Dude, every Friday at my BJJ gym the kids class is right before mine so I was always catch the end of their sparring. Some of these kids are landing difficult moves with solid technique, and a number of them train various striking arts too.

    By the time some of these kids are 25, they'll have over fifteen years of grappling and striking experience, plus the knowledge of which techniques and styles are most effective will have moved forward a great deal, too.

    There are going to be some absolute beasts out there that will inevitably make us look back at guys like Jones, Aldo, GSP and Anderson and see them as stand-outs from their time, but certainly not the greatest fighters that ever will exist.
    Anderson Silva and Jose Aldo fought and trained at a young age as well... like many other mixed martial artists.
  • 04-18-2013, 07:45 PM
    Bork_Lazer
    I'm not hating on Cain, but I really think he needs to fight JDS again to even be able to claim he is the best HW in the world right now, so in my eyes he is very far from being near a GOAT discussion.

    On the Jones v Silva discussion. I know that MMA math is pointless but they did both fight Bonnar and Vitor and those fights were very different if you know what I mean.
  • 04-18-2013, 05:44 PM
    lwbrewer
    Jones may be better than Silva except for one thing Silva has much more time of domenance under his belt. That to me is hard to beat as we've seen many get the glory than fall aside or down some, but at the rate Jones is going it won't be long. Also Silva has 3 wins in a weight class above from decent fighters and made all 3 look bad. Thats something Jones hasn't tried yet.

    Good observation Dan C
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