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  • 04-25-2013, 03:38 PM
    Cat--Smasher
  • 04-25-2013, 01:52 AM
    The Donosaur
    If the situation was flipped, everybody in that camp would be losing their minds. Everybody. Also Jake Shields would be claiming that he saw Bendo and the Judge making out backstage.
  • 04-25-2013, 01:24 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Gilbert Melendez weighs in on judging controversy following UFC on FOX 7 loss | News

    "I don't know the guy, but it's good to know someone is training out there that's a judge," Melendez today told MMAjunkie.com Radio. "I don't know the dude. I don't know Wade Vierra. I don't. I can't say I haven't shook someone's hand or something. I've met a lot of people in my life. But do I know Wade Vierra? Is he in my phonebook? Do I see him or do I know him? No. I don't know who the guy is. I don't know him."

    In fact, in a recent chat with MMAjunkie.com, California State Athletic Commission Executive Officer Andy Foster defended the assignment of Vierra, who scored the highly competitive fight 48-47 for Melendez. Judges Derek Cleary and Michael Bell, meanwhile, scored it 48-47 for Henderson, who took the split-decision win and defended his title for the third time.

    "I think it'd be a bigger deal if I won, but either way, I lost," Melendez said. "Either I lost the split or the unanimous. It doesn't matter. I lost, dude. I lost. It doesn't really matter. Benson is still the champ."

    But what if he learned that Cleary or Bell were somehow affiliated with the The MMA Lab, Henderson's primary camp? Melendez supports the idea that commissions should assure there are no obvious conflicts of interest, but in the case of Vierra, he said there simply isn't one.

    Still, he hates to think a possible win would have been tainted by such speculation.

    "The MMA Lab isn't a brand like the Gracie's that's been around for years and they just franchise to everyone," he said. "The Gracie brand is huge. The Lab is a little different, but yeah, that's not my job. But [the commissions] should pay attention to all that kind of stuff. Of course you don't want a conflict of interest. I wouldn't want to win and everyone tell me I'm a cheater or something like that. I don't want to win on an F-upped type of thing."

    Melendez said we should instead focus on the positives, including the fact that an MMA judge actually has an idea about what's going in the cage. He said that's an important aspect of this whole saga.

    "The positive thing is that if the guy is training, that's a good thing," he said. "Yeah, you've got be selective about [any potential conflicts of interest], but some judges just don't know what's going on. I wish they'd get on the mat and train and really feel what it's like and do some boxing or some muay Thai and visit some gyms."

    As for the fight itself, Melendez took a little time off immediately afterward but finally watched a replay with a fresh set of eyes. And his opinion is the same now that it was on fight night.

    "I really thought I won that fight," he said. "I felt I won the first two (rounds) and the last. And honestly, the third, I thought it was pretty dang close and that I won that too.

    "It was a close one. It was a battle. Benson Henderson is a stud. But I thought just I was the more dominant fighter in there and taking more risks and making it a fight. I could go on and on about it, but it is what it is, I guess."

    As for what's next, Melendez is scheduled to marry his longtime girlfriend, fighter Keri Anne Taylor, in July. He said he'll be ready for another UFC fight two or three months after that. Potential opponents? He named everyone from Anthony Pettis to Donald Cerrone to Jim Miller to Joe Lauzon to Diego Sanchez. He said he's essentially a kid in a candy store as he anticipates all the potential new matchups that weren't previously available when he ruled Strikeforce.

    Sure, he's coming off a loss, but he feels like he represented Strikeforce well, dismissed complaints about his quality of competition in recent years, and that fight fans are going to be excited to see his next bout.

    "Honestly, I felt like the biggest winner that night," he said. "I really did. I really feel like I made a statement. It was devastating to lose, but I feel like I arrived in the UFC. I got respect. A lot of people thought I was garbage (previously), so there's a lot of positive things. I'm actually pretty high on life right now."
  • 04-24-2013, 01:49 AM
    The Donosaur
    I don't care what the out come was or what the fight looked like, if you have any connection with a fight then you shouldn't be judging their fight. I'd rather have a guy who doesn't know how to spell mma, but has zero relationship with either fighter than an MMA expert who hung out with one of the fighters for a day. It may sound stupid, but that is how I feel. It is hard not to be biased if you have had a conversation with someone. Hell if I was a judge and I was told that one of the fighters was one of you guys, I would be biased one way or the other.
  • 04-24-2013, 01:06 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Quote Originally Posted by lwbrewer View Post
    The UFC does have responseblity to there creditabilty. Now some unknowens for me do they know who the judges are going to be and for what fights a head of time? If the UFC knows judge C is affileated to fighter A they have the oblagation to tell the commission. Now it is up to the comm to do something.
    If you want to be looked at as honorable you have to act honorable
    I dont think it is the UFC's obligation to inform the commission of anything.. It is the commissions job to find judges who are fit to judge the fight.










    With Recent CSAC Judging Mishap The NSAC Weighs In
    http://www.bjpenn.com/with-recent-cs...+NEWS+BLOGS%29

    I tried to contact the CSAC today but was continually rerouted back and forth between two offices and never got ahold of anyone who had the authority to give an official statement on the selection of the judges that night or even an explanation on how the CSAC conducts its selections for high-profile fights such as this. Instead, I called a neighboring state whose athletic commission knows a thing or two about putting on UFC fights, the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC).

    Nevada truly is the home for combat sports as it has been a mainstay for both the UFC and major boxing events for years and is virtually synonymous with the fight game.

    After a single phone call to the main offices of the NSAC, I was routed over to the direct line of the Executive Director for the NSAC, Keith Kizer. Although Kizer was understandably reluctant to discuss events that occurred outside of his own jurisdiction, he gave me some insight from the perspective of the governing body for combat sports in Nevada.

    Kizer broke the process down to a few simple steps that take place when selecting both referees and judges:

    For smaller events from lower level promotions, their can sometimes be as few as two referees and just 4-5 judges who oversee each fight with the numbers rising up to three or more referees with approximately seven judges.

    As for the selection of officials (both referees and judges), in Nevada, Kizer stated that once a full fight card is official and arranged in the order that it will ultimately take place, officials are pulled from a pool based on what the company can spend and how big of a promotion the officials are coming in for. These officials are all put through the same test that grants them a license to officiate professional fights. Then, Kizer selects which officials will be overseeing which fights with a simple system that I assume would be similar to that of scheduling workers for a part-time job, giving everyone who is assigned to that card equal opportunity to both work and be rotated off for breaks in between assigned fights.

    As for the judging of title fights, like the one in question, not only are the judges picked from that same pool, but anyone involved in the fight whether it be commissioners for the state, judges, or even the fighters involved in the fight, can call a meeting to come to an agreement on which judges are picked to oversee that fight in particular.

    It is unclear if the CSAC follows a similar policy of letting even fighters have a say on certain judges, not to sway a scorecard in their favor, but instead to put the fight on as even a playing field as possible. Unfortunately for this bout, someone who potentially knew Melendez on a first-name, and friendly basis was selected as a referee in a fight that absolutely affects not only each fighters career, but also their life as a title fight in the UFC is the pinnacle of an MMA career in this contemporary world.

    If this man was selected by hand, then shame on the athletic commission for failing to do their job in the way of avoiding controversy and potentially tilting the scale of equality.

    If he was chosen at random and by some coincidence put in a fight that he may have had some stake in as an acquaintance of Melendez’ then shame on both the commission for their lack of a thorough look into the history of these judges backgrounds and also on Vierra who could have easily opted out of the assignment, not to get cut from a payday, but instead to get out of the spotlight and away from any negative allegations that could be thrown his way potentially marring his career as an MMA judge. Kizer even told me a story where a man that he knew as one of the all-time great judges in MMA turned down a judging position for a UFC fight that featured former light-heavyweight champion, Quinton ‘Rampage’ Jackson due to the fact that both were Tennessee natives and shared a friendly relationship, in a move that earned respect from Kizer for its honesty and humility. Again, Kizer felt it was smart not to comment directly on the situation in California for obvious reasons, but did say that a close personal relationship with a fighter is a definite red flag when it comes to being selected to judge or referee their fight.

    As for the final score tally, Vierra had this close contest scored three rounds to two with Melendez winning rounds one, four, and five and agreeing with, or at least making up the majority of, the first three rounds, only getting singled-out for his fourth round scores. If this had been any other judge who shared nothing in the way of a personal relationship with Melendez, this score would be simply overlooked and honestly, it’s not a crime to overlook it still, but there was absolutely no reason for a slip-up like this to get past not only the athletic commission, but also the conscious of Vierra who will always carry a stigma with him to events, regardless of the validity of certain allegations.

    The California State Athletic Commission should be more careful if they want to build up a reputation for putting on fair contests in a sport where judging and officiating as a whole is something that is nowhere near perfect.
  • 04-23-2013, 04:54 PM
    lwbrewer
    Quote Originally Posted by mma #1 fan View Post
    Tap D Jackson ‏@T_Wan827

    @danawhite the judge who scored it for Gil, wade vierra is a Cesar Gracie JJ affiliate/student? How is that legal? #ufc #ufconfox7

    what the fuck does dana /zuffa / ufc. have ship to do with picking the judges ???
    The UFC does have responseblity to there creditabilty. Now some unknowens for me do they know who the judges are going to be and for what fights a head of time? If the UFC knows judge C is affileated to fighter A they have the oblagation to tell the commission. Now it is up to the comm to do something.
    If you want to be looked at as honorable you have to act honorable
  • 04-23-2013, 04:02 PM
    Cat--Smasher
  • 04-23-2013, 02:13 AM
    dbader08
    I thought Gil won 1 and 5 and the middle 3 were so close, I'll have to rewatch the fight.
  • 04-23-2013, 01:55 AM
    Y2JUBAE
    Holy shit, are those judges scoring the same fight? What a joke.
  • 04-22-2013, 11:09 PM
    mma #1 fan
    Tap D Jackson ‏@T_Wan827

    @danawhite the judge who scored it for Gil, wade vierra is a Cesar Gracie JJ affiliate/student? How is that legal? #ufc #ufconfox7

    what the fuck does dana /zuffa / ufc. have ship to do with picking the judges ???
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