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  • 05-27-2013, 06:42 AM
    Sniggles
    I guess that = /thread?
  • 05-26-2013, 12:52 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    Has anyone here read solid research on the relationship between weight cutting and testosterone? I keep seeing some very assertive Internet articles, but it seems difficult to find good research.











    All Your Questions Answered: Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) Basics

    "In addition, scientific data has suggested that the same weight cutting practices may also alter hormonal status (63); diminish protein nutritional status (16); impede normal growth and development (14); effect psychological state (17,30,36,45,59); impair academic performance (8,11,67) and have severe consequences such as pulmonary emboli (10), pancreatitis (33) and reduced immune function (28)."
    http://jap.physiology.org/content/82/6/1760

    A crash course on testosterone, hypgonadism, and doping

    Really is elementary that over the long-term weight cutting and repeated blows to the head damages the endocrine system, pituitary gland and hypothalamus. A teenager finishing grade 12 Biology could tell you that.

    From what I gather the least informed, educated people on this topic hold the most fervent views on TRT.
  • 05-25-2013, 01:07 PM
    AnchorPunch
    Has anyone here read solid research on the relationship between weight cutting and testosterone? I keep seeing some very assertive Internet articles, but it seems difficult to find good research.

    And I wasn't able to find anything with regressions over the number of events, which seems important when you talk about MMA fighters with <50 fights, and no history of wrestling, "needing" it.
  • 05-25-2013, 07:09 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    'Bader, I'm trying to assume you're not dense, but you're making it difficult.

    I got what the initial argument was between you and Hoss. That's why I stated


    The parts where I "chimed in" is because your "argument" is fundamentally flawed, and yet is pretty commonly employed by weed advocates. It has nothing to do with a "fair state of competition" because it's prohibited. Arguing whether "it's worse" than TRT [or alcohol] is stupid for a number of reasons, and yet it seems to be the default for many weed advocates. Since it seems to come up all the time anyway, I felt it necessary to point out the places where the foundation of the discussion is built on sand.

    In short, the inaccuracies:
    • THC isn't prohibited because it's performance enhancing. It's prohibited because it's federally banned
    • TRT usage doesn't give a fighter abnormal levels of testosterone. TRT abuse would, but comparing THC use and TRT abuse is foolish
    • Just as TRT requires an exemption, a TUE is available to fighters who are legally using the drug
    • Pretending that THC has no performance enhancing abilities at all less than inaccurate



    rh
    Thread was over here. After this it was an argument between some men on ERT.
  • 05-25-2013, 05:20 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by beardown98 View Post
    I just don't think you should be able to alter your hormone levels in a competitive sport. It's one thing to take supplements and vitamins to help keep you healthy and training I get that.

    Even if it's done under the supervision of a credible physician just to get you to a normal level. I am still against it being used in a professional sport.
    honestly, I'm right there, if it wasn't for weight cutting. Much like TRT, you have guys who feel they have to do it to keep up with the joneses. You have kids cutting weight before they're even hormonally adults...and it can create issues early in the rest of their lives.

    rh
  • 05-25-2013, 05:09 AM
    beardown98
    I just don't think you should be able to alter your hormone levels in a competitive sport. It's one thing to take supplements and vitamins to help keep you healthy and training I get that.

    Even if it's done under the supervision of a credible physician just to get you to a normal level. I am still against it being used in a professional sport.
  • 05-25-2013, 03:56 AM
    RearNakedStroke
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat--Smasher View Post
    This thread is gold... someone should send the whole thing into failblog
    Agreed. I was wondering what could have added several pages to this thread since the last time I was on the forum. Lmao
  • 05-25-2013, 02:32 AM
    earle
    Damn, what the hell happened to this thread? Since when are we insulting wives and kids? That's just wrong.

    We had a nice debate started here.
  • 05-25-2013, 01:54 AM
    H0SS
    Sooo.....



















































  • 05-24-2013, 09:47 PM
    dbader08
    How am I supposed to know your not reading at least a good amount of the discussion and something just happened to catch your eye that was funny...

    I feel like I was making some good points about TRT but then somehow I'm a typical weed advocate when all I gave were a couple of views on why I thought weed wasn't as serious of an issue AFTER someone else brought it up (for no reason). So I thought the thread was going ok, either way it's not very cool to just tell people they need to quit posting because you didn't think much good was coming out of it (or didn't try to provide any of your own input), unless it's a complete joke of a thread which I don't really think this one quite qualifies as until the last few pages now, I guess.

    I apologize but its hard to tell if your trying to be a prick sometimes.


    ^Yes Cat just like you and Hoss's threads (and many other Hoss threads) lol

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