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  • 07-08-2013, 01:57 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre View Post
    Some of this feels like salesmanship on Dana's part to market a long-term ZUFFA centrepiece, as I'm of the belief that GSP isn't going to be fighting much longer, or at least without a very extended break and that it is better to strap his cart to somebody in it for the long-haul, who at his age and personna, would be Jones.
    I'm more cynical than you, and I haven't had any respect for dana in a long time...so I think dana's petty vindictiveness plays a role here. Anderson was desperate for the vanity fight with Georges, and Georges was what put that on hold. That cost zuffa money, and I believe dana was pissed that it never happened.

    Jones was also on the table for a superfight, but Anderson didn't want that one...certainly not as eagerly as he wanted the fight with a smaller fighter. So I don't think dana is nearly as pissed at Jones as he is at Georges.

    Not that dana knows a goddamn thing about p4p, but even if he did; he wouldn't think twice about manipulating that if he can squeeze a dime or two out of it.

    rh
  • 07-08-2013, 04:10 AM
    Fedorlei Gomipierre
    GSP's run since the first Kos fight makes him the P4P champ in my books.

    Not only has he very rarely dropped a single round since that bout, but with the exception of Dan Hardy, he has consistently taken on top 5 caliber WW contenders and utterly dominated them without fail. Kos 2X, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, BJ, Alves, Shields, Condit and Diaz are all exceptional victories and if you pull GSP out of the WW equation altogether, there are several of those names who could be multi-defending WW champions in their own right, who happen to be fighting in the era of GSP's prime.

    Some of this feels like salesmanship on Dana's part to market a long-term ZUFFA centrepiece, as I'm of the belief that GSP isn't going to be fighting much longer, or at least without a very extended break and that it is better to strap his cart to somebody in it for the long-haul, who at his age and personna, would be Jones.
  • 07-08-2013, 03:57 AM
    Masscore
    So I guy who beats up undersized middleweights is now the P4P king? Please tell that to Aldo, GSP and Bendo.

    IMO Jones has dropped in the P4P rankings this year. Currently I have it -

    1. GSP
    2. Aldo
    3. Bendo
    4. Johnson
    5. Jones
  • 07-08-2013, 03:57 AM
    Dr. MMA
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    where I've had him since Fedor finally failed, at #1.
    My current top 5 p4p rankings:
    Georges
    Aldo
    Anderson--drops one place due to the loss, because I feel most of his skills are intact
    Jones--I'd have Cruz here, but he hasn't fought in well over a year and a half
    Cain--although it's an arguable ranking right now...if he beats JDS again, he eclipses Jones...if he loses, he's probably out of top 5



    somewhere on the fringe of top 10. Edgar has at least two wins in the books that I felt were bullshit, but he's a gamer, no mistake.


    Aldo has fought multiple guys outside of his weightclass. When and if he faces Pettis--if he beats him--it will be a bigger accomplishment than any of the puff fights Anderson took at 205.

    rh
    Nice p4p list.

    As time passes by, I really think that Aldo should be considered #1 p4p. His overall skillset, i.e., every facet of his game in my opinion is more complete than any of the other fighters in the p4p list. He is 22-1 with his only loss being outside of his weight class and he's on a 15 fight win streak. He has destroyed many opponents and two of them were a legit contenders in the 155 division (i.e., Kenny Florian) and a legit champion (i.e, Frankie Edgar).

    GSP has probably fought better competition than anyone in the p4p list, but his overall skillset isn't where Aldo's is. It is close but I really think Aldo should be considered the top p4p.
  • 07-08-2013, 03:17 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Where do you have GSP?
    where I've had him since Fedor finally failed, at #1.
    My current top 5 p4p rankings:
    Georges
    Aldo
    Anderson--drops one place due to the loss, because I feel most of his skills are intact
    Jones--I'd have Cruz here, but he hasn't fought in well over a year and a half
    Cain--although it's an arguable ranking right now...if he beats JDS again, he eclipses Jones...if he loses, he's probably out of top 5


    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    EDIT: Also, RH - Where do you have have Edgar ranked given the size debate?
    somewhere on the fringe of top 10. Edgar has at least two wins in the books that I felt were bullshit, but he's a gamer, no mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Makes sense to me and none of the champions presently will be fighting bigger opponents outside of their weight class anytime soon. Anyways it won't matter GSP is getting KTFO in a couple of months in the 1st or 2nd round and Jon Jones will likely lose to Glover or Machida.
    Aldo has fought multiple guys outside of his weightclass. When and if he faces Pettis--if he beats him--it will be a bigger accomplishment than any of the puff fights Anderson took at 205.

    rh
  • 07-08-2013, 01:30 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Icon View Post
    I always looked at p4p as the fighter who was the best in multiple weight classes, I might be wrong in looking at it that way but it is all opinion anyway. That being the case I've always had Silva #1 and honestly still do. Until Jones fights outside of 205 then I dont consider him the best p4p. I dont think GSP or Aldo can be considered either. I do however think Hendo and Edgar deserve a mention. Again I want to state that I understand not everyone looks at it this way so hold back the hate please. If Aldo fights at LW or Jones moves up to HW then my opinion would possibly change
    Makes sense to me and none of the champions presently will be fighting bigger opponents outside of their weight class anytime soon. Anyways it won't matter GSP is getting KTFO in a couple of months in the 1st or 2nd round and Jon Jones will likely lose to Glover or Machida.
  • 07-08-2013, 01:20 AM
    The Donosaur
    What Riv and Hoss said.
  • 07-08-2013, 01:02 AM
    1inthechamber
    This is hilarious. There's a huge skill gap when u compare Silva, Gsp, aldo, and edgar to jones. Jones is cruising on size advantages with oblique kicks and elbows to the throat on smaller opponents. Lets not forget fighting two middleweights.

    Jones top game and clinch are the only things I think he's good at. Running from ur opponent just throwing oblique kicks and front kicks don't mean u are the 'new anderson' either so please quit the comparisons. The guy doesn't even have ko power against smaller opponents, just wait till its time for hw. He will barely crack top 10, sure as hell never top 5. Its a different ball game when u can coast off of a 10+ inch reach advantage
  • 07-08-2013, 12:53 AM
    lwbrewer
    P4P is a equal judgment of a fighter ability that if there weight was = who's skill set would win. My self I hold Aldo higher than Jones.
    Also finishes don't really count winning the fight does. Yes I like finishes but just trying to be realistic
  • 07-08-2013, 12:46 AM
    The_Icon
    I always looked at p4p as the fighter who was the best in multiple weight classes, I might be wrong in looking at it that way but it is all opinion anyway. That being the case I've always had Silva #1 and honestly still do. Until Jones fights outside of 205 then I dont consider him the best p4p. I dont think GSP or Aldo can be considered either. I do however think Hendo and Edgar deserve a mention. Again I want to state that I understand not everyone looks at it this way so hold back the hate please. If Aldo fights at LW or Jones moves up to HW then my opinion would possibly change
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