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  • 07-15-2013, 05:01 AM
    end it with a left
    For me I think the pre-lim fighters are getting paid just fine at 10/10. Lets compare it to say going to University. Let's say for one year of University your books and tuition will cost you on the low end 11k. Most degree's are four years which means you paid ~44k to get that degree to start at the bottom of the pay scale. So if hypothetically a fighter stayed on the prelims and didn't get a pay raise but won three fights a year. In those four years he would have made ~240k wereas the student is -44k.

    So lets be fair to the student and say they are a smart young person and work throughout his/her schooling and busts ass in the summer and weekends to make 20k a year. After tuition and books he would come ahead 9k and over 4 years would be at 36k. No where near the 240k the fighter made and to be realistic any fighter good enough to stick around as a pro would be getting a raise long before four years were up. Also there are not many jobs that will start you off at a 100k out of uni.

    And to be fair the sucessful guys don't get into MMA for the job opprotunities, they are there because they love fighting and competing and have been doing atleast a martial art for years. Not everyone makes it through Uni and not everyone can be a pro fighter. If Mark doesn't like his pay cheque than he should take Tim's advice and go be a garbage man. Hell Tim should go take his own advice and go be a garbage man because I would really love to hear what those guys would have to say about UFC cheques after getting a check from what they would be doing if there were no MMA organizations around. Like really I'm at work close to 90 hours a week to come out with 100k a year and my job is no where near as fun as training for a fight
  • 07-14-2013, 08:15 PM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Flou View Post
    But I guess we are getting way off topic at this point, so I'll stop posting on this subject
    Probably a bit off topic yeah... his case is a little more rare then the average fighter I think with some creative management people behind him though he could actually turn this to his advantage. I'm sure some of the more mainstream UFC sponsors could use him to tap a market they may not already have a foothold in.
  • 07-14-2013, 08:09 AM
    Flou
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    I'd certainly like to see them ease up and base the sponsor ship rates based on fighters and their exposure at various events.

    In cases like you mentioned though there is absolutely no reason why these companies can not continue to sponsor fighters just because they can;t pay the UFC rates. (Especially if the case is true they are not doing it for exposure). Smaller companies can't benefit from their association with fighters through different venues besides being on a fighters banner or shirt at a PPV.

    Guys like Anton Kuivanen can certainly make promotional appearances outside of events and be featured in more local or regiaonal promotional material to earn sponsorship money.
    True. Kuivanen did get featured in the Finnish media during his UFC run quite a bit. But I'm not sure what kinda exposure his sponsors got from that. Since mostly (the ones I saw) were either talk show appearance on a public broadcast channel (you are not "allowed" to advertize on those channels), radio shows (can't see what he is wearing and we Finns don't really go out our way to namedrop sponsors) and newspaper articles.

    I think some of his sponsors were mentioned on his blog and website. I think he even directly thanked some of them for helping him out to train in Miami in some interview/blog update. But it's still quite fucked up situation. The economy is what it is, so coming up with sponsors ain't easy in any sport, not to mention in MMA that's still somewhat small sport in here and the fact that you have to pay 50k for UFC doesn't help. I'm sure he would have had more than few sponsors if that wasn't the case. Or he personally would have benefitted more from his sponsors.

    But I guess we are getting way off topic at this point, so I'll stop posting on this subject
  • 07-14-2013, 01:06 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Flou View Post
    Some say, sure that is common sense. But they should allow sponsors that aren't in direct competition with them or with UFC's sponsors. Allow as in sponsor for free, not for 50k.

    Let's take Anton Kuivanen as an example. He is well spoken and a gentleman, a good figure to bring the sport to the masses in Finland. Training partners and gyms in Finland don't prepare him that good for the UFC, the UFC itself doesn't pay lower tier fighters such as Kuivanen that much. So to get better he needs to train in USA (in his case ATT afaik). But that costs a lot of money. He can't really have a day job and focus on his career, so he needs sponsors. The fact that these sponsors from Finland have to pay 50k for the UFC hinders his ability to get sponsors drastically. I think he did in fact manage to get couple of sponsors during his UFC run that helped him actually have training camps in Miami. Hardly any Finnish sponsor is in any competition with UFC's sponsors.
    And from what I remember his sponsors didn't really get anything out of it. They did it to help Kuivanen out, not for the exposure UFC gives them. There's hardly any useful exposure for a Finnish company in the UFC unless you are like Nokia or other big corporation.
    I'd certainly like to see them ease up and base the sponsor ship rates based on fighters and their exposure at various events.

    In cases like you mentioned though there is absolutely no reason why these companies can not continue to sponsor fighters just because they can;t pay the UFC rates. (Especially if the case is true they are not doing it for exposure). Smaller companies can't benefit from their association with fighters through different venues besides being on a fighters banner or shirt at a PPV.

    Guys like Anton Kuivanen can certainly make promotional appearances outside of events and be featured in more local or regiaonal promotional material to earn sponsorship money.
  • 07-13-2013, 12:44 PM
    Flou
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    But if you are fronting all the bills that lead to these fighters getting exposure on tv/ppv shouldn't you have some say in what you are willing to allow? and would you allow it if it directly advertised a competitor to your own brand name or a major company sponsor?

    I don't disagree in some cases the UFC is to strict or just downright cut throat when it comes to how they have handled some sponsors. They should have some say in the matter though.
    Some say, sure that is common sense. But they should allow sponsors that aren't in direct competition with them or with UFC's sponsors. Allow as in sponsor for free, not for 50k.

    Let's take Anton Kuivanen as an example. He is well spoken and a gentleman, a good figure to bring the sport to the masses in Finland. Training partners and gyms in Finland don't prepare him that good for the UFC, the UFC itself doesn't pay lower tier fighters such as Kuivanen that much. So to get better he needs to train in USA (in his case ATT afaik). But that costs a lot of money. He can't really have a day job and focus on his career, so he needs sponsors. The fact that these sponsors from Finland have to pay 50k for the UFC hinders his ability to get sponsors drastically. I think he did in fact manage to get couple of sponsors during his UFC run that helped him actually have training camps in Miami. Hardly any Finnish sponsor is in any competition with UFC's sponsors.
    And from what I remember his sponsors didn't really get anything out of it. They did it to help Kuivanen out, not for the exposure UFC gives them. There's hardly any useful exposure for a Finnish company in the UFC unless you are like Nokia or other big corporation.
  • 07-13-2013, 08:37 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    My main problem is indeed the sponsorships. If fighter pay isn't going to increase, then fighters should be allowed to wear whatever they want on their banners and shorts.
    But if you are fronting all the bills that lead to these fighters getting exposure on tv/ppv shouldn't you have some say in what you are willing to allow? and would you allow it if it directly advertised a competitor to your own brand name or a major company sponsor?

    I don't disagree in some cases the UFC is to strict or just downright cut throat when it comes to how they have handled some sponsors. They should have some say in the matter though.
  • 07-13-2013, 01:14 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by Flou View Post
    There's big difference between Bob Tractors putting 10 bucks to sponsor a fighter and the 50k UFC demands from each sponsor just to be able to sponsor in the UFC. And with the way UFC just decides to ban some of the sponsors, how many are willing to pay that 50k to sponsor in a sport some believe to be very brutal? I'm pretty sure there are lots and lots more companies willing to pay 10k for the fighter to promote them than there a companies that first want to pay 50k to the UFC and then some small amounts of dollars to the actual fighter. I've never heard that any other organization demands money from the sponsors to themselves if the company is sponsoring a team/individual.
    My main problem is indeed the sponsorships. If fighter pay isn't going to increase, then fighters should be allowed to wear whatever they want on their banners and shorts.
  • 07-12-2013, 03:58 PM
    Flou
    Quote Originally Posted by The Return Of...... View Post
    Hey I love MMA as much as everyone on here. But you cant compare MMA salaries to other professional sports. MMA has been growing since what...2005 when Forrest fought Bonnar?? Before that it was around but no one really noticed it in the states except for a select few of us (most of us here on these types of forums. Why dont you go look up NFL or NBA and see what those players were making 20 years into the sport. It takes time to grow a sport. The NFL has something like a 9 billion dollar tv deal. Do you really think the UFC on Fox comes close to that?

    Sure the fighters have bills. But so does the UFC. Do you think the casino in Vegas says sure use our place free of charge. Do you think the camera men, the sound guys, all the people back stage say we love this sport lets do it for free.

    No, they don't and they have to get paid too. But lets break this down a little bit more. What has Hunt done to deserve more than 200K a year? He came to the UFC with a losing record. His biggest wins were not over top 10 opponents in the UFC. He was "known" what 10 years ago in a dying sport called K1.... I mean lets be honest. How many people knew who Mark Hunt was before he fought in Pride..... I didn't think so. Maybe...Just maybe 1 card is fought in Japan a year. You sit there and mock Toney getting paid yet you think a guy with a sub to .500 record should be the feature fighter in card in Japan just because he was at one time popular there?

    So just because he is an athlete he should be making more than the average person for having an average record? He should get paid more money than the average person doing something he loves because people enjoy watching it? No he still needs to earn it. And he did. He got 160K to get KOed by JDS.

    And who are really talking about here when we say Mid card or Mid level guys. You see a lot of 24/24 or even 75/75 pay salaries on those fighters. Should the guy fighting on the facebook prelim who is just the hometown guy really get 10k to fight?? Hell no, what he is getting is opportunity to show that he belongs in the big show. When you are an unknown talent who is hungry you take less to follow your dream. You signed the contract, if you dont like it, go out there kick the shit out of some people and ask for a raise. Hunt did that and got a 160K fight.

    Nutrition is a joke. Its called cost of living. We all have to eat. And if you are losing that much money on a manager and camp then maybe its not your employer who is the problem but the people you are hiring to handle your money and training.

    I can understand how people new to fighting sports do not give a shit about Toney. I can even see how they think he was over paid. I can see how people miss the fact that by paying him that much it got his ass in the cage. It also brought in more viewers, it raised PPV numbers, anyone who actually got a cut of that PPV got paid. Hell I'm willing to bet you the backstage bonuses were flying from Zuffa. Just like when Brock fought.

    Professional TEAM sports are different. You get paid more to win the championship as a team. Its apples to oranges. Go look up how much a boxer makes who is fighting not just on the undercard but in the prelims.

    Also, people say you cant count sponsorship money. Why not??? Because you are fighting for the UFC you get more sponsorship opportunity. Do you think the guy fighting in some cage in the middle of bum fuck gets anyone other than Joe Bob's Tractors throwing in 10 bucks??

    I mean, people will always bitch about money. If you dont think you are making enough money then improve your situation by winning more fights and moving up to the money or find another job.

    Poker is a "sport". So is Bowling. So is Golf. If your not at the tops of those sports guess how much you make........

    here I'll help you out with it

    http://www.sbnation.com/golf/2013/5/...ip-prize-money
    True, MMA is a new sport. But then again it's the fastest growing sport and the UFC is highly valued brand at the moment. No need/point to check what people were making 20 years into different sports, since it's totally different time. Back in the 60's or even in the 80's (in some sports) there were no lucrative tv deals or sponsors. Current technology and globalization helps a lot in that sense. Back in the day in Finland you only saw NHL games from the newspaper. They sure as hell didn't air any live games during the 80's and even rarely in the 90's. Now there's dedicated hockey/sports channels that air NHL games (or even NHL's own gamepass system). Naturally all that reflects to what the people involved in the sports are getting paid.

    And no TV deal should be compared to the NFL TV deal. Pretty much every other sport is making pennies compared to the amount of money NFL makes from TV contracts alone.

    Naturally the UFC has bills as well. Insurance, crew and staff ain't free either and some venues cost more than some. I'm pretty sure Las Vegas is a good and fairly cheap place for UFC since the casino that hosts the event is getting huge marketing just from the UFC being there.

    I think a lot of fight fans knew Mark Hunt well enough. K-1 was highly popular in Europe, Asia and Oceania. You could actually see the events on TV here, UFC was no where to be seen. I think US events didn't do that well though. And from the looks of it Mark Hunt is still quite popular in Japan. Doesn't seem like your average asian fan would immediately turn on the fighter once he loses once or twice.

    Overall I think athletes are getting paid way too much. But then again, I don't feel like the owners of clubs/organizations should be the only people getting rich. In a perfect world neither party would be getting filthy rich.

    Basic pay the UFC is giving some of these nobodies is mostly okay, but I think they should be handing out even more bonuses to the people actually entertaining the audience. But I guess that is happening already behind the scenes. Just hope they would be more open about it, like 5k bonus for finishing your opponent.
    But it is really tough situation for these lower tier fighters. If they want to get better they need to train pretty damn hard, and how do you mix family life and a day job in all that? And once you get your chance in the big show you get paid pretty much nothing after all the costs. There's just so much at stake for them in a single fight / couple of fights. I guess and hope the situation gets better in the long run. At least in hockey etc. if you don't make in the big leagues (NHL) there's always the AHL that pays decent and European leagues that pay even better than the farm leagues in North America. There just aren't enough organizations that would pay decent money that would let the athletes focus on their careers. At least not currently. But I guess we are getting derailed here...

    We all have to eat, true. But we all don't have to be in top shape. And if you don't want to give your opponent an advantage, you will train with some of the best and that costs.

    And yes I'm aware Toney probably brought in viewers. But at the same time, I think he was overpaid for his effort. Business wise, great decision by the UFC, but if you think about it no one should be paid that much for such an effort. But it's the shitty world we live in...

    There's big difference between Bob Tractors putting 10 bucks to sponsor a fighter and the 50k UFC demands from each sponsor just to be able to sponsor in the UFC. And with the way UFC just decides to ban some of the sponsors, how many are willing to pay that 50k to sponsor in a sport some believe to be very brutal? I'm pretty sure there are lots and lots more companies willing to pay 10k for the fighter to promote them than there a companies that first want to pay 50k to the UFC and then some small amounts of dollars to the actual fighter. I've never heard that any other organization demands money from the sponsors to themselves if the company is sponsoring a team/individual.

    And picking golf as the comparison is just weak. Golfers attend more than 3 events a year. Not to mention the top 200 golfers around the world are definately getting paid well enough, since there's so many events they can and will attend to each year.
  • 07-12-2013, 05:20 AM
    The Return Of......
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Golfers compete more than 3 times a year.

    http://espn.go.com/golf/moneylist

    Wut? A top 50 golfer making 1 million a year?! Unpossible.
    ummmmm thats the money leader board........ What about the guy who hits 50 in a couple of tournaments but is't on the leader board......

    exactly. Plus that is DEFINITELY performance based.
  • 07-12-2013, 05:08 AM
    Sniggles
    Golfers compete more than 3 times a year.

    http://espn.go.com/golf/moneylist

    Wut? A top 50 golfer making 1 million a year?! Unpossible.
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