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  • 07-14-2013, 12:26 AM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE View Post
    Ufc 115?
    Huh?
  • 07-13-2013, 11:27 PM
    Y2JUBAE
    Ufc 115?
  • 07-13-2013, 03:21 PM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I think it could also have to do with the statement being uncomfortably close to the truth for DC. To many, the very definition of an Uncle Tom is a Black Person who sucks up to the boss while other Black people are [minimally] undervalued/paid [or worse]. There are certainly black men in the UFC who are not paid commensurate to their skill/talent.
    Not sure I buy that. Even with the shenanigans of late, the UFC is still far more meritocratic than most organizations people work for. Win the fight and you move up the ranks. In most organizations, maybe if you do that repeatedly over the course of a few years you're targeted for promotion; but only if you're politically savvy as well. In contrast, DC moved up the ranks off unexpected wins and a popular tournament.

    On a construction crew, the foreman isn't the guy who installed drywall the best. And in white collar jobs, senior managers aren't necessarily the people with the best numbers. In the academy, heads of departments and deans are notoriously politically positions.

    I'm not a fighter, but I suspect there's a lot less attention paid to how one interacts with the boss amongst fighters than in other jobs. (With the notable exceptions of undeserved title shots, but DC isn't anywhere near that group.)
  • 07-13-2013, 02:56 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    If anything, DC could be called for being too easily baited. But, again, I think racial slurs are a sensitive issue.
    I think it could also have to do with the statement being uncomfortably close to the truth for DC. To many, the very definition of an Uncle Tom is a Black Person who sucks up to the boss while other Black people are [minimally] undervalued/paid [or worse]. There are certainly black men in the UFC who are not paid commensurate to their skill/talent. Regardless of the fact that it's coming from a White man, the statement probably rings closer to the truth than Cormier would like.

    If you made fun of Clay Guida for being bald, he's going to laugh it off, because it completely doesn't apply. But if you made fun of Belcher's poorly-executed Johnny Cash tattoo, he's going to be pissed because he knows there is an element of truth to it.

    I think that's why Cormier is reacting so strongly.

    rh
  • 07-13-2013, 01:37 PM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by FedortheCan View Post
    Im aware of what Nelson said, but I thought that DC laughed at the thought of fighting Nelson and stated he wasn't worthy, no?
    My recollection of the timeline is:

    1. Roy wants to fight DC
    2. DC says Roy isn't ranked
    3. Roy calls DC an Uncle Tom
    4. DC wants to fight Roy

    I'd say that's pretty reasonable. If anything, DC could be called for being too easily baited. But, again, I think racial slurs are a sensitive issue.
  • 07-13-2013, 07:34 AM
    FedortheCan
    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    As noted earlier, Roy called DC an Uncle Tom prior to his fight with Stipe. Since then, not surprisingly, DC has been interested in fighting him. If you're not familiar with the term, it's generally considered pretty fucking racist.

    Also, DC does not have an epic tan, he is black.

    Aside: Is "uncle Tom" a known term in other parts of the world or is too outdated and North American-y? Can't say that I know British racial slurs from a century ago.
    Im aware of what Nelson said, but I thought that DC laughed at the thought of fighting Nelson and stated he wasn't worthy, no?
  • 07-13-2013, 03:37 AM
    Sniggles
    Quote Originally Posted by AnchorPunch View Post
    As noted earlier, Roy called DC an Uncle Tom prior to his fight with Stipe. Since then, not surprisingly, DC has been interested in fighting him. If you're not familiar with the term, it's generally considered pretty fucking racist.

    Also, DC does not have an epic tan, he is black.

    Aside: Is "uncle Tom" a known term in other parts of the world or is too outdated and North American-y? Can't say that I know British racial slurs from a century ago.
    It was a clever play on Dana's last name, though.
  • 07-13-2013, 02:01 AM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by FedortheCan View Post
    If memory serves me correct, the notion to fight Roy was brought up months ago to DC and he laughed it off and even made insults as to why he shouldn't fight him. Now Roy is out of the UFC and looks like he wont be back and DC is all about fighting him.... I don't think I care too much for DC.
    As noted earlier, Roy called DC an Uncle Tom prior to his fight with Stipe. Since then, not surprisingly, DC has been interested in fighting him. If you're not familiar with the term, it's generally considered pretty fucking racist.

    Also, DC does not have an epic tan, he is black.

    Aside: Is "uncle Tom" a known term in other parts of the world or is too outdated and North American-y? Can't say that I know British racial slurs from a century ago.
  • 07-13-2013, 01:23 AM
    FedortheCan
    If memory serves me correct, the notion to fight Roy was brought up months ago to DC and he laughed it off and even made insults as to why he shouldn't fight him. Now Roy is out of the UFC and looks like he wont be back and DC is all about fighting him.... I don't think I care too much for DC.
  • 07-13-2013, 12:13 AM
    AnchorPunch
    Quote Originally Posted by SimpleJack View Post
    JESUS.

    The contrast between this and the Chuck Liddell thread on fighter pay are so freaking hilarious to me.

    In one thread guys say, "Be exciting, come to fight and you'll get paid." Then, you enter a ROY NELSON thread, a guy who comes to fight and goes out in a blaze win or lose, and people are saying don't pay him a dime and cut him because he's ONLY the 8-10th best heavyweight in the world.

    Really guys?
    So I certainly didn't say he doesn't deserve more money, and I don't think many did.

    But that said, I challenge the notion that Roy is an exciting fighter. He goes for crazy KOs that make for good highlight reels, but the overall fights lack the diversity and pace that makes MMA exciting. Roy has many skills but he doesn't use them; and watching his fights tends to be about waiting for the gratification of a nasty KO.
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