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  • 07-19-2013, 04:50 AM
    W.Silva>C.Norris
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    ah...you mean that fight you just said he gave to Werdum? The one where I was out of the country? Yeah. It was magic.

    rh
  • 07-19-2013, 03:59 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    Nah but I can take a play out of your book and tell everyone he avenged his loss.
    Exactly when did I say that?

    Hey well at least I didn't bury my head under the sand like a quail when my fighter lost. However you on the other hand magically disappeared for a week speechless when Fedor got submitted, KTFO and brutually beasted from mount position.
    ah...you mean that fight you just said he gave to Werdum? The one where I was out of the country? Yeah. It was magic.

    rh
  • 07-19-2013, 03:50 AM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    well, if you follow Roaddawg's logic, Anderson absolutely DOES NOT deserve a rematch.
    Anderson Silva absolutely does not deserve a rematch. Somewhere somehow the next number 1 contender just got slapped in the face.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Because Silva didn't beat Franklin, Leben, Griffin, Belfort or Bonnar.

    All those guys let him punch them in the face.
    You mean they fought with their hands down shortly before getting KTFO?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    He's lucky he ducked Hendo in the rematch, I doubt Dan would have let him choke him out twice.
    All reverse dry humping aside Dan would have lost the rematch too. He is just not on Silva's level in term of skillset.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    ah...I see you're planning on tapping into the Georges-manlove-contingent's perspective on the Serra assbeating--if he manages to win a rematch, you can pretend the first fight never even happened.
    Nah but I can take a play out of your book and tell everyone he avenged his loss.


    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Again, whatever makes your tears less salty, son.

    rh
    Hey well at least I didn't bury my head under the sand like a quail when my fighter lost. However you on the other hand magically disappeared for a week speechless when Fedor got submitted, KTFO and brutually beasted from mount position.

    To each his own I suppose.
  • 07-19-2013, 03:41 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    A punch has to be thrown to land.
    well, if you follow Roaddawg's logic, Anderson absolutely DOES NOT deserve a rematch.





















    Because Silva didn't beat Franklin, Leben, Griffin, Belfort or Bonnar.

    All those guys let him punch them in the face.

    He's lucky he ducked Hendo in the rematch, I doubt Dan would have let him choke him out twice.

    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    I absolutely respect your opinion but for me this was more of what Silva did to lose than anything Weidman did to win. My guess is this will be rectified on Dec 28th.
    ah...I see you're planning on tapping into the Georges-manlove-contingent's perspective on the Serra assbeating--if he manages to win a rematch, you can pretend the first fight never even happened.



    Again, whatever makes your tears less salty, son.

    rh
  • 07-18-2013, 11:05 PM
    Sniggles
    All it took was for a guy to keep moving forward and not be mesmerized by the evasiveness then frustrated into telegraphing punches.
  • 07-18-2013, 02:08 PM
    roaddawg
    Good post no argument.
  • 07-18-2013, 01:22 PM
    Goremire
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    As rivet pointed out neither Bonnar nor Griffin were known to have KO power. Some fighters you can get away with letting them punch you in the face and Weidman isn't one of them.
    Yeah, granted - but Silva didn't necessarily know that. How many knockouts does Weidman have? I haven't seen the Uriah Hall fight but I understand Weidman knocked him out with a left hook. He cracked Munoz with that elbow but I'd speculate that Silva's primary concern was being taken down and pounded on - either stopped or to a losing decision.

    What exactly had Weidman done up until that point to make ANY of us think that he was capable of knocking Silva out standing up? The Munoz elbow? Fuck me dead, I can remember a bunch of people on this forum who insisted that the only fucking reason that Weidman beat Munoz at all was cause Munoz was fat and unfit.

    Point is, Silva was well within his rights to consider Weidman an acceptable threat on the feet based on the evidence he had available. Remember, Weidman has still only landed one - one - shot on Silva that hurt him. He gobbled all of the rest up. Silva probably thought that Weidman wasn't going to hurt him with standing strikes and he was 100% correct up until he wasn't.

    But but but...he's never done a fake stanky leg befo- who gives a fuck? Too many people are fixating on exactly what type of 'clowning' he was doing like it actually matters.

    So he let Weidman punch him but not Vitor. He didn't do that with Maia either - but he did air guitar. He didn't air guitar with Sonnen or Okami but he did drop his hands repeatedly. He dropped his hands with Leites AND jabbed him in the knee. He didn't jab Sonnen in the knee but he did attempt low risk flying knees and on and on and on....

    All these differing types of clowning are simply a mechanism for Silva to get inside his opponents head and get them to overcommit to strikes so he can capitalise on the opening. And the reason he didn't clown Vitor was because Vitor was the heaviest handed striker he fought bar Henderson. He took him out quickly with a strike Vitor didn't expect because Vitor was a credible threat standing. He treated them differently because he assessed them differently. He and his coaching team got it spectacularly right against Belfort and spectacularly wrong about Weidman.

    I don't know about anyone else but this has made me look differently at Silva as a fighter. If anything I have more respect for him. This one time he got it wrong in the UFC just makes the other 17 time he got it right are all the more impressive to me.
  • 07-18-2013, 01:17 PM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by noahm View Post
    Agree, but I think it is less about what style of fighting his opponent has, than it is about whether he thinks they are mentally weak or likely to break from game plan. It seems to be an case-by-case evaluation on his part. Hendo, Vitor--they mature fighters that are far less likely to fall into a trap even if they get very frustrated. Silva is a master of the mental game and imo would have had several less dominant performances if he hadn't broken many of his opponents with some frustrating showmanship.

    Is it disrespectful? Yes. It is also effective against tentative fighters, but it is risky and is two-sided. If the opponent is weak-willed or just tentative, AND Anderson is feeling superior, it has a strong chance of rattling the opponent into slipping up.

    I think Silva is making a mistake in taking the immediate rematch as has too much to lose. He no longer will feel 100% superior, and Weidman clearly isn't going to be tentative. This makes it a very evenly matched fight whereby if Anderson loses he will have lost his own rock solid confidence as well losing the awe-factor in the eyes of his opponents. He is still one of the most talented strikers out there, it will just be that his "Jedi" powers will no longer be much of a factor, coupled with age/speed etc...
    Good post and I am forced to agree with you.
  • 07-18-2013, 12:58 PM
    noahm
    Quote Originally Posted by roaddawg View Post
    He doesn't use that style against serious threats especially wrestlers. He didn't let Vitor, Okami, Sonnen or Dan Henderson punch him in the face and he certainly didn't lower his guard the way he did. There are certain fighters you just don't do that to.

    Every fighter that has tried to implement that style has paid for it at least once. Its awesome when it works its expensive when it doesn't.
    Agree, but I think it is less about what style of fighting his opponent has, than it is about whether he thinks they are mentally weak or likely to break from game plan. It seems to be an case-by-case evaluation on his part. Hendo, Vitor--they mature fighters that are far less likely to fall into a trap even if they get very frustrated. Silva is a master of the mental game and imo would have had several less dominant performances if he hadn't broken many of his opponents with some frustrating showmanship.

    Is it disrespectful? Yes. It is also effective against tentative fighters, but it is risky and is two-sided. If the opponent is weak-willed or just tentative, AND Anderson is feeling superior, it has a strong chance of rattling the opponent into slipping up.

    I think Silva is making a mistake in taking the immediate rematch as has too much to lose. He no longer will feel 100% superior, and Weidman clearly isn't going to be tentative. This makes it a very evenly matched fight whereby if Anderson loses he will have lost his own rock solid confidence as well losing the awe-factor in the eyes of his opponents. He is still one of the most talented strikers out there, it will just be that his "Jedi" powers will no longer be much of a factor, coupled with age/speed etc...
  • 07-18-2013, 12:34 PM
    roaddawg
    Quote Originally Posted by Goremire View Post
    No, you're quite right, he didn't do that against the fighters you mentioned.

    But if you have a look at the same fight as your sig, and have a look at what happens with 1:20 to go, you may see something eerily similar.
    As rivet pointed out neither Bonnar nor Griffin were known to have KO power. Some fighters you can get away with letting them punch you in the face and Weidman isn't one of them.
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