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  • 08-01-2013, 10:44 PM
    lwbrewer
    I'm afraid I have to agree with rh as GSP is able to follow a game plan very well. So I see a well exicuted game plan that makes Johny look like he's flat and a bad day for him.
  • 08-01-2013, 12:38 PM
    rivethead
    I don't see Johny winning this. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. His striking is powerful, but he's not as technical as Georges. St. Pierre may have lost a step, but he's still sporting more than 6" length advantage and has far better footwork than Hendricks. He takes better angles, he's far more versatile and has infinitely better combinations, and I believe he's still more mobile even if he's not at his peak.

    If Johny has any significant chance here, it's going to happen via stoppage in the first two rounds. I'm still not convinced Hendricks beat Koscheck at all, but if you look at both the Kos and the Condit fights, Johny is faded by the third. If the Condit fight were a 5 rounder, I think Carlos wins it. I think the championship rounds are going to play a huge role in a great fight, but ultimately I think we'll see Georges stick to using an enormous length advantage to enact the peck-and-run conservative style that he's perfected; if he can weather an early storm from Hendricks, Georges will have his timing figured out as Johny starts to fade. The 4th and 5th will be the Georges St. Pierre show, and Hendricks won't look good after the fight.

    rh
  • 08-01-2013, 09:51 AM
    TBEAR
    I was going to start trolling and decided agianest it.

    But the thread is showing who has combat sport knowledge and who--well watches the UFC while drunk and listens to Joe Rogan.
  • 08-01-2013, 05:40 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Georges St-Pierre hints at his own superfight plans
    http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/7/31...wn-superfight-

  • 07-31-2013, 10:10 PM
    orion_damage
    We've heard this story so many times when it comes to guys fighting George. Don't get me wrong though Hendricks has some impressive knockouts and most impressive was his fight with Carlos Condit. That fight also shows that Johnny can hit you flush and that it doesn't promise a knockout. Carlos took a few flush punches and kept coming. I believe if George can take a shin to the head and survive he can take a Hendricks punch and survive.

    If George can get an early takedown and inflict some damage on the ground that will certainly help the tide stay in George's favor. Hendricks is pretty wild and raw with his power. He certainly isn't a technically crisp guy (standup) and I think that's where George's jab game can be effective.

    George will retain his belt via UD and Johnny can join the groups of Koscheck and Alves in the "he'll knock him out" club.
  • 07-31-2013, 09:51 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Quote Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio View Post
    I think you might be down playing how big wrestling really is.
    I think maybe he is not down playing it but instead does not understand. We (Canadians) do not have anything at all like what you (Americans) do when it comes to wrestling programs in high school or post secondary.



    And for Bones.. you keep compairing things to the Stanley Cup like these Americans are going to be as impressed as us Canadians are by hockey finals .
  • 07-31-2013, 09:14 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    1) So you are saying wrestlers in the NCAA dont study the other top wrestlers in advance of a possible match? LOL.

    2) A "free education" which i find very entertaining. And how many of those said student athletes actually attend classes, write their own papers, do all of their own readings? You ever watch Sunday night football? half of those guys can even speak english properly and you want to convince me they held up their end of the academic scholarship. Have you ever been to University? The athletes attend the first day of class then you dont see them until midterms / finals. Why? Because the teachers / profs know who plays on which team and mark them accordingly.

    3) At no point did I say that NCAA wrestlers dont work hard, what i said was winning a national championship isnt even in the same universe as fighting for / winning a UFC title. Once again i will ask you (as i originally asked kevo) is playing in the / winning the BCS championship remotely close to playing in / winning the Superbowl? How about playing / winning the national championship in basketball is it remotely close to winning / playing for an NBA Championship? Is playing / winning the National Championship in hockey remotely close to playing / winning the Stanley Cup?? I you think the answer to any of those said questions are yes i want a little of whatever you are smoking.

    4) Facing GSP forces people to freeze up.




    Now what did the NCAA wrestling Championships in 2005 (when hendricks won it) have in terms of attendance - since that is what we are comparing his UFC fight to - remember to take into consideration that OKC is the wrestling mecca of the USA so the 2014 numbers certainly could be flawed.

    The crowds at a UFC event may be "docile" as you put it compared to hawkeye fans - but im sure the same could be said about Fans at a Michigan football game (in front of 120,000 people) but it doesnt compare to the biggest fight / game of your life. This is hendricks Superbowl, this is his Stanley Cup, there will be millions of people watching and everything he has done up to this point in his career rides of this fight...how that can be compared to any wrestling match in college is beyond me.
    A large majority of student athletes do their own work in top football and basketball programs dont. also frat boys pay for papers and they arent athletes. ive worked with ncaa and collegiate athletics and i have seen cheaters but ive also seen athletes get graduation honors on their own. a lot of the cheating came from girls doing homework for them because they want the d it happened to athletes and non athletes.

    also just because it is gsp doesnt mean he will freeze look at weidman/silva. if hendricks loses(which i think if gsp comes in not looking sluggish he will) it will not be because he got nervous it will be because gsp fought a better fight. he will go down swinging i can guarantee you that.
  • 07-31-2013, 09:03 PM
    Masscore
    Quote Originally Posted by BonesKnows View Post
    1) So you are saying wrestlers in the NCAA dont study the other top wrestlers in advance of a possible match? LOL.

    2) A "free education" which i find very entertaining. And how many of those said student athletes actually attend classes, write their own papers, do all of their own readings? You ever watch Sunday night football? half of those guys can even speak english properly and you want to convince me they held up their end of the academic scholarship. Have you ever been to University? The athletes attend the first day of class then you dont see them until midterms / finals. Why? Because the teachers / profs know who plays on which team and mark them accordingly.

    3) At no point did I say that NCAA wrestlers dont work hard, what i said was winning a national championship isnt even in the same universe as fighting for / winning a UFC title. Once again i will ask you (as i originally asked kevo) is playing in the / winning the BCS championship remotely close to playing in / winning the Superbowl? How about playing / winning the national championship in basketball is it remotely close to winning / playing for an NBA Championship? Is playing / winning the National Championship in hockey remotely close to playing / winning the Stanley Cup?? I you think the answer to any of those said questions are yes i want a little of whatever you are smoking.

    4) Facing GSP forces people to freeze up.




    Now what did the NCAA wrestling Championships in 2005 (when hendricks won it) have in terms of attendance - since that is what we are comparing his UFC fight to - remember to take into consideration that OKC is the wrestling mecca of the USA so the 2014 numbers certainly could be flawed.

    The crowds at a UFC event may be "docile" as you put it compared to hawkeye fans - but im sure the same could be said about Fans at a Michigan football game (in front of 120,000 people) but it doesnt compare to the biggest fight / game of your life. This is hendricks Superbowl, this is his Stanley Cup, there will be millions of people watching and everything he has done up to this point in his career rides of this fight...how that can be compared to any wrestling match in college is beyond me.
    First thing, having wrestled in college, you still need to go to class. Not everyone gets a full scholarship (I didnt). No one wrote papers for me and my expierence is like most people in college. There is a big difference between footballs players and everyone else.

    In 2005 it was a sell out at the scott trade center of 22,000+. Having wrestled against Iowa and been to a UFC event, the crowds are two completely different things. I wrestled for a weak school (BU) and Iowa was still insane.
  • 07-31-2013, 08:58 PM
    SimpleJack
    LOL @ where this is going.

    A few tidbits from me-

    Hendricks has power but it's VERY predictable power. It's also wide, looping and his head is often down and he's trudging forward.
    I don't think his striking is even actually better than KOS. I think KOS refused to be taken down and simply focused on that. I also thought that fight EASILY could have gone to KOS.
    Hughes (5th place) and Koscheck (1st place) sure froze up against GSP.

    GSP is a champion and a fine one. He's dismantled some incredibly solid wrestlers along the way- Hughes, Kos, Hieron, and Fitch immediately come to mind. He's played this game plenty of times and the tune's been the same almost every time.

    I personally think he jabs Hendricks to death and either gets a UD or even a late sub due to simple fatigue. I don't see any way Hendricks' style lends itself to being able to routinely connect is Georges jabs and steps away from the power counter.
  • 07-31-2013, 08:55 PM
    BonesKnows
    Quote Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio View Post
    I think you might be down playing how big wrestling really is.


    Remotely close how? In terms of viewership? Revenue? Prestige and tradition?
    So big that they are taking it out of the olympics?

    And remotely close in all terms. Compare the NCAA wrestling championships to the UFC title fight (The Stanley Cup if you will)

    Heres another comparison for you - the memorial cup vs the stanley cup. The memorial cup sells out, gets great viewership, and has tradition. Is it even in the same ballpark as the stanley cup?
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