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  • 10-11-2013, 07:57 PM
    Y2JUBAE
    what is this human reaction time shit? 2 seconds? Nobody in the ufc has a 2 second reaction fucking time, not even the refs. Do you know how many times you can get punched in the face in 2 seconds? He held the shit on purpose, glad he's gone for good, he's a piece of shit that tries to end careers and now his is pretty much over.
  • 10-11-2013, 11:04 AM
    SickNasty
    Quote Originally Posted by The Return Of...... View Post
    I have read both of your post and you seem to contradict yourself in both of them. in this one did you mean he held the hold much longer than the average reaction time? Because the way you word it you are saying the average reaction time was longer than it took for him to release.

    Also in your previous post you make it sound like he should wait for the ref to pry him off instead of stopping once the reg first touches him and says stop.
    I did get a bit confusing there, my apologies.

    It seemed to me that he held the hold much longer than what the estimated human reaction time is. From my really bad (lazy) research, the average human reaction time is .2 - .25 or a quarter of a second. I thought he held that hold for a full second or longer after the ref first signaled that the fight should be stopped.

    And in a fight, he only has to let off the hold, as far as my knowledge of the rules are, when the ref tells him to stop, not the other fighter. Sure, he could release the hold, or at least ease up on it before the ref's instructions if he feels/hears his opponent tap/submit, but he runs the risk of doing so without the ref seeing the opponent give up. So he could be a nice guy and release the submission before the ref says so kind of like a guy not punching someone who is clearly out before the ref signals the end of the fight but it's not mandated he do so.
  • 10-11-2013, 10:30 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    UFC official statement on Rousimar Palhares release
    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...hares-release/

    Following the latest infraction, UFC president Dana White banned Plahares for life from the UFC. Thursday night the official statement appeared at UFC.com.

    As announced by UFC president Dana White, the UFC organization has elected to terminate its contract with Rousimar Palhares based on repeated incidents of unsportsmanlike conduct violating the UFC Fighter Code of Conduct and his Promotional Agreement with Zuffa, LLC.

    At UFC FIGHT NIGHT: MAIA vs. SHIELDS on October 9, 2013, Palhares won his welterweight bout against Mike Pierce via heel hook submission in 31 seconds. Pierce appeared to tap several times physically and verbally and the ref intervened physically before Palhares let go. Despite being the only submission win on the card, Palhares was denied the Submission of the Night bonus. Managing Director of International Development Marshall Zelaznik announced at the post-fight press conference that the local commission would be investigating the length of time that Palhares held the submission.

    The controversy is not Palhares' first: In 2010, the New Jersey State Athletic Commission suspended Palhares for 90 days following his heel hook win over Tomasz Drwal at UFC 111 for not letting go after the referee stoppage.

    In 2012, Palhares was again suspended for nine months after testing positive for elevated testosterone after UFC on FX 6.




    CABMMA suspends Rousimar Palhares 120 days following UFC Fight Night 29
    http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/1...fight-night-29
  • 10-11-2013, 09:09 AM
    TN94z
    Quote Originally Posted by Happypants View Post
    Well, this actually made me happy. I hate to say it because this is someones livelihood and he truly was a talented fighter but I have always hated him because i perceived him as a dirty fighter.
    Yeah, but he obviously didn't give much thought about his livelihood or he wouldn't have continued doing this. Honestly, I don't think he was good enough to be in the UFC. I know I can't say much from my position, but he just seemed like if he didn't get your leg, he had nothing really to offer offensively.
  • 10-10-2013, 11:56 PM
    joeodd2
    Paul harris did a very bad thing and got what he had coming. MMA should also be about discipline. But if we are going to jump on Paul Harris's ass about holding a hold too long, then what about guys like Hendo? His flying forearm on an obviously unconscious opponent, and he even admitted he knew Bisping was out. How about the countless times we'd seen a guy continue to punch an unconscious opponent in the face on the ground, after he knocked him out on the feet? Yeah the rules allow that, but come on? Isn't that basically the same thing? What happens when one of those guys don't wake up after taking extra shots? I say it's good the UFC takes a stand, but don't stop there. If NFL linebackers have to be in control of their bodies while they are hurling their 300 lb frames at offensive players, then why shouldn't we demand the same kind of discipline from "martial artists"?

    But it does suck to see one of the best submission fighters in the world go out like that. I think he goes to Japan or fights in Brazil.
  • 10-10-2013, 10:34 PM
    initial_zen
    I don't think that this particular incident was bad enough to warrant a cut, but I can see how all of his previous incidents could push it that way.

    Imo, if a fighters wants to hold onto a submission till the ref jumps in, I'm usually ok with that, but if the guy taps, they should be mentally ready to let go once the ref comes in. They need to be ready for the ref to come in and be aware of the refs when they do. It's sad that it is taking Palhares so many incidents to learn this. And gosh damn, it's not like Pierce's taps were sneaky, there was no way he could deny that he tapped out. If you see the other fighter clearly tapping and screaming, let go of the damn lock, there are like 5 cameras recording from every angle, they will see him tap your leg 10 times.
  • 10-10-2013, 10:04 PM
    The Return Of......
    Quote Originally Posted by SickNasty View Post
    Pierce tapping and yelling in pain signals the ref that the fight should stop as he has given up. The offensive fighter isn't required to let up. But when the ref vocally and physically instructs the offensive fighter to stop, then it should stop immediately, Pierce tapping and being vocal prior to that should have given him a slight heads up. Also, through a quick and not gravely detailed search, the human reaction time is an average .2 - .25 seconds depending on the environment and all that (using hypertextbook.com as a reference). Which is still longer than what it took for him to break the hold once the ref jumped in. That extra time gives more of an unwarranted opportunity for potential career ending damage to take place.
    I have read both of your post and you seem to contradict yourself in both of them. in this one did you mean he held the hold much longer than the average reaction time? Because the way you word it you are saying the average reaction time was longer than it took for him to release.

    Also in your previous post you make it sound like he should wait for the ref to pry him off instead of stopping once the reg first touches him and says stop.
  • 10-10-2013, 08:32 PM
    Happypants
    Well, this actually made me happy. I hate to say it because this is someones livelihood and he truly was a talented fighter but I have always hated him because i perceived him as a dirty fighter.
  • 10-10-2013, 07:20 PM
    mma #1 fan
    good for the ufc
  • 10-10-2013, 06:20 PM
    disposableassassin
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