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  • 10-14-2013, 08:09 AM
    Mr. Cornute
    [QUOTE=Qball1974;1053066]
    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    Have you heard of this guy called Mayweather? He kind of proves that little guys can sell fights and be important to the sport (albeit he is an ass.)[/QUOTE

    I doubt he gets mobbed everywhere he goes like Tyson did. Sure 1 little guy can sell fights but the list of HWs is much longer.

    and to be honest I don't know anyone who watches boxing anymore I gave up on it years ago.
    Can you name me the current Heavyweight boxers other than the two Klitschko brothers that are a draw...(even though they themselves are not really a PPV draw)?
    I can name you many guys in lighterweights though:
    Mayweather
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Timothy Bradley
    Manny Pacquio
    Canelo Alverez
    Miguel Cotto
    Julio Ceasar Chaves Jr
    I could keep going...no one buys HW PPV's any longer as there is no attraction to do so. In the past that was not the case but this argument that people come to watch HW fights is completely off base. Even more so in the UFC, yes recently people have become interested in HW but the still cannot touch the attraction level brought by Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, GSP and the WW division in general and even the lighter weights have their days when they could outsell a HW fight.
  • 10-13-2013, 08:22 PM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by Qball1974 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    Have you heard of this guy called Mayweather? He kind of proves that little guys can sell fights and be important to the sport (albeit he is an ass.)
    I doubt he get's mobbed everywhere he goes like Tyson did. Sure 1 little guy can sell fights but the list of HWs is much longer.

    and to be honest I don't know anyone who watches boxing anymore I gave up on it years ago.
    I doubt we'll ever see the HW champ be that popular champ again. Back when Tyson was champ being the HW champ meant a lot more than it does now. Whoever held those straps was considered the baddest fucker on the planet. That distinction isn't there anymore.

    -Some who once thought the Ultimate Warrior was the toughest fucker on the planet.
  • 10-13-2013, 07:25 PM
    Qball1974
    [QUOTE=initial_zen;1053034]Have you heard of this guy called Mayweather? He kind of proves that little guys can sell fights and be important to the sport (albeit he is an ass.)[/QUOTE

    I doubt he gets mobbed everywhere he goes like Tyson did. Sure 1 little guy can sell fights but the list of HWs is much longer.

    and to be honest I don't know anyone who watches boxing anymore I gave up on it years ago.
  • 10-13-2013, 09:16 AM
    joeodd2
    Regardless, these guys should at least get a cost of living/training adjustment for there fights IMO. they have trainers, travel expenses to go train, and regular bills to pay for and they are only fighting 2-3 times a year. I think if you are the top MMA promotion in the world, your guys shouldn't be working second jobs or on food stamps. Of course managers have to be held up to account too, but lets face it. The UFC runs their business almost from a Casino model. They get you in low, but you have an "opportunity" to make more if you win (a couple of times).....I just think these guys deserve better pay for what they do and provide to the company and MMA fans. As the UFC expands into a world wide brand, it will be interesting to see if fighter pay goes up significantly in 5-10 years.
  • 10-13-2013, 08:31 AM
    initial_zen
    Quote Originally Posted by VimyRidge View Post
    Do you think anyone would have cared as much about Mike Tyson if he was fighting in the 135 lbs division in boxing (or what ever weight class is close, they have so many stupid meaningless weight classes...).
    Have you heard of this guy called Mayweather? He kind of proves that little guys can sell fights and be important to the sport (albeit he is an ass.)
  • 10-13-2013, 12:35 AM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by VimyRidge View Post
    Wasn't talking about CHL, I know they get nothing. Some European leagues that are way below NHL pay their players more than some top UFC fighters.

    "82 games + playoffs"

    It is not like MMA fighters work 2.5 days a year, they are training and sparing all the time.
    Only players in the Finnish Elite Legue, KHL, and Swedish Elite League would get as much as Mir and Barnett. KHL is the second best league. The FEL and SEL are both very close in terms of skill and would be considered the next best leagues. They are all professional leagues not minor hockey leagues.
  • 10-13-2013, 12:06 AM
    VimyRidge
    Do you think anyone would have cared as much about Mike Tyson if he was fighting in the 135 lbs division in boxing (or what ever weight class is close, they have so many stupid meaningless weight classes...).

    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    How is the hw division "the most important division in the sport?" And i doubt they are complaining. If you want to complain about fighter pay take it to the undercard fighters or even the mid card ones. They get paid bones for the same shit that upper ones go through.
  • 10-13-2013, 12:03 AM
    VimyRidge
    Wasn't talking about CHL, I know they get nothing. Some European leagues that are way below NHL pay their players more than some top UFC fighters.

    "82 games + playoffs"

    It is not like MMA fighters work 2.5 days a year, they are training and sparing all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalebarker View Post
    No they don't. Minor league hockey players don't get paid shit. CHL players make almost nothing but get a nice chunk of cash to pay for school after. There are some players in the AHL that are signed with NHL under one way contracts that make that but not very many. 95% of the players in the AHL that are signed with an NHL team are on 2 way contracts that pay them about $60k a year when they are not up with the big club. They also play 82 times a year and play for free in the play offs.
  • 10-12-2013, 09:19 PM
    kalebarker
    Quote Originally Posted by VimyRidge View Post
    Wow, 160,000 and 200,000 for two top 10 guys in the most important division in the Sport...

    How often do they fight on average a year, 2.5 times? Some minor league hockey players make that much.
    No they don't. Minor league hockey players don't get paid shit. CHL players make almost nothing but get a nice chunk of cash to pay for school after. There are some players in the AHL that are signed with NHL under one way contracts that make that but not very many. 95% of the players in the AHL that are signed with an NHL team are on 2 way contracts that pay them about $60k a year when they are not up with the big club. They also play 82 times a year and play for free in the play offs.
  • 10-12-2013, 10:04 AM
    initial_zen
    Quote Originally Posted by Qball1974 View Post
    HW will always be the most important division in combat sports. No matter how much better Johnson, Barao, Cruz, Aldo, Pettis, GSP, Weidman are a HW not even the best HW but lets say Roy ...... can tool them!
    I don't see how that in any way makes hw the most important division. I don't even think the hw division draws in the most money right now.
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