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  • 12-12-2013, 02:51 PM
    JPeezy
    Quote Originally Posted by earle View Post
    I won't even try to debate this, I'm no expert. Interesting that you mention the 30% in the age range of 40-79, I don't think Vitor or many others are in that age category yet. I wonder what the stats are for 20-30 or 30-40?



    Well, he did say "100% Prescription steroids", not artificial steroids, word play, I know. Testosterone is still a steroid, even though it's natural. So if your doctor is prescribing it, then it's a prescription steroid IMHO.
    Like I said in another thread, I have no problem with TRT if it's used to get a man back to normal levels. That is easily accomplished with low dose creams. The problem is, some of these guys use TRT to get to abnormally high levels and then it does act as a steroid.

    If a fighter had hypogonadism and took trt to go from a level of 200 to 500, there is nothing wrong with that in my eyes. (Normal healthy young male levels are typically 400-600). When they take it like Vitor does and go to off the charts levels over 1000, that is abuse.
  • 12-12-2013, 01:31 PM
    earle
    Quote Originally Posted by JPeezy View Post
    I get my info from medical journals and a family member who is an endocrioloist. I stopped reading your your mess at the beginning. According to research approximately 30 percent of men ages 40 to 79 are affected by hypogonadism, also called androgen deficiency, a condition marked by testosterone levels below 300 ng/dL (nanograms per deciliter). It frequently starts to pop up in your 30's.
    I won't even try to debate this, I'm no expert. Interesting that you mention the 30% in the age range of 40-79, I don't think Vitor or many others are in that age category yet. I wonder what the stats are for 20-30 or 30-40?

    Quote Originally Posted by JPeezy View Post
    Then there is the fact that you don't know the difference between testosterone and artificial steroids....
    Well, he did say "100% Prescription steroids", not artificial steroids, word play, I know. Testosterone is still a steroid, even though it's natural. So if your doctor is prescribing it, then it's a prescription steroid IMHO.
  • 12-12-2013, 10:27 AM
    JPeezy
    Quote Originally Posted by dimerules28 View Post
    I stopped reading agter this cause no they dont get it "frequently". Idk what cereal box you got your info off of but men in their 30's do not frequently get hypogonadism. And yes trt is 100% perscription steroids.

    I get my info from medical journals and a family member who is an endocrioloist. I stopped reading your your mess at the beginning. According to research approximately 30 percent of men ages 40 to 79 are affected by hypogonadism, also called androgen deficiency, a condition marked by testosterone levels below 300 ng/dL (nanograms per deciliter). It frequently starts to pop up in your 30's.

    Then there is the fact that you don't know the difference between testosterone and artificial steroids....
  • 12-12-2013, 07:58 AM
    dimerules28
    Quote Originally Posted by earle View Post
    Well, here's our opportunity to put Chael under the same scrutiny we have put Vitor under this year, or to defend him as vigorously, depending on your perspective I guess. I've stated my opinions many times on this board, I hate TUE's. Now, lo and behold an endocrinologist comes along and casts more doubt.

    Fire away people.
    Vitor is a juice pig. Idk if im gonna get banned for saying that but its true.
  • 12-12-2013, 07:56 AM
    dimerules28
    Quote Originally Posted by JPeezy View Post
    The part of the article that I disagree with is where it says young men don't get hypogonadism. Men in their 30's get it quite frequently, and it isn't just from steroids. .
    I stopped reading agter this cause no they dont get it "frequently". Idk what cereal box you got your info off of but men in their 30's do not frequently get hypogonadism. And yes trt is 100% perscription steroids.
  • 12-12-2013, 07:08 AM
    TBEAR
    hypogonadism can be bad and lead to larger issues. if meds are needed then they are needed, now I am not saying they need to be abused.

    I think you can make a panel of Docs--that rotate from state to state (that way it is not the same docs everytime and can slow down the corruption)--majority has to say TRT are needed. Then agree that a TUE is to be given.
  • 12-11-2013, 09:59 PM
    earle
    Well, here's our opportunity to put Chael under the same scrutiny we have put Vitor under this year, or to defend him as vigorously, depending on your perspective I guess. I've stated my opinions many times on this board, I hate TUE's. Now, lo and behold an endocrinologist comes along and casts more doubt.

    Fire away people.
  • 12-11-2013, 04:26 PM
    JPeezy
    Quote Originally Posted by dimerules28 View Post
    Good old perscription steroids.

    The part of the article that I disagree with is where it says young men don't get hypogonadism. Men in their 30's get it quite frequently, and it isn't just from steroids. A tumor on the pituitary gland, a varicocele or hydrocele in the testes, and other things such as a rise in prolactin cause men's testosterone to drop below 300 all the time. Otherwise we wouldn't be indundated with ads for TRT on tv and the radio.

    Given, the most likely cause of hypogonadism in a professional athlete is very likely steroid abuse. TRT is fine by me if the athlete is using it to get his testosterone levels from sub 300 back into the normal 400-600 range. It is when they use it to artificially put their levels over 900 that is abuse.
  • 12-11-2013, 03:19 PM
    dimerules28
    Good old perscription steroids.
  • 12-11-2013, 03:09 PM
    KevoOnTheRadio
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