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  • 02-24-2014, 11:05 PM
    initial_zen
    I am really digging Nate Quarry's ideas. The 3 fight no cut (from losses) contract seems like such a better model. And his minimum wage idea is still super low, but a move in the right direction. The sad part is I doubt the ufc will implement any of it any time soon.
  • 02-24-2014, 06:39 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Sponsorship problems? At least one UFC fighter doesn't understand the complaints
    http://mmajunkie.com/2014/02/sponsor...he-complaints/
  • 02-21-2014, 10:23 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Quarry offers six suggestion to improve the UFC for fighters
    Now Quarry has come back and offered some further suggestions.

    My Mistake...

    From: Nate 'Rock' Quarry
    Member Since: 8/24/02

    Let me state that I had the numbers wrong for my fight against Franklin. I swear I thought the gate was 3.5 million. It's been pointed out to me that the gate was about 2 million. The PPV buys about 200k. But we really don't know for sure because that information is not disclosed.

    How much did I make? $10,000. But that number is NOT important. Hindsight being 20/20 and all that, I should have negotiated a better deal. I should have negotiated like Randy did so I would have the rights to use my fight photos and videos.

    But I didn't. Water under the bridge.

    None of that is important. My last fight I was paid around 40k. Although I took a horrendous beating that took months to heal from and now have 13 screws and titanium in my face, I think I was paid very well for that fight.

    Then why did I speak up in the first place? To change the past? To speak about low pay from 8 years ago? No, no I didn't.

    I'm trying to address issues that are occurring right now with fighters. The sponsorships being cut, the sponsorship tax, things like that. Things that will benefit the fighters without hurting the UFC.

    So let's look at some individual issues and look at potential solutions so I don't come off as a total whiny little baby:
    Fight Week: Fighters are given two flights, one hotel room and $50 per diem
    I suggest: Give the fighter 3 flights and $100 per diem. The days of one cornerman are over. Fighters are taking money out of their purses to pay for the numerous coaches they have to fly in to deliver the best fight possible.
    Hotel Gyms: Fighters are allowed to use the gym for free, their corner has to pay to use the hotel gym where the fighter is actually fighting.
    I suggest: The fighter and up to 3 cornermen get to use the hotel gym for free. This would cost next to nothing and is one little thing that shows the fighter that they aren't being nickeled and dimed.
    Sponsorships: This is completely random. The last time I was dealing with the UFC, clothing and supplement sponsors had to pay $100k for the privilege of having a fighter put their logo on the fighter's shorts. Random companies don't have to pay a fee.
    I suggest: Remove the sponsorship tax. This is going to bring back a myriad of sponsors that want to support the fighters and can't afford to pay 100k to the UFC.
    UFC uniform: This is speculative but it seems that the UFC is moving towards a uniform for fighters to wear out to fight in. This is going to kill the remaining sponsors. No longer will they have a shirt sponsor if everyone is wearing the same shirt. No more shorts sponsors if everyone is wearing the same pair of shorts.
    I suggest: Kill this idea. If the UFC is unhappy with certain fighters wearing inappropriate shorts or shirts, punish THEM. Not every fighter in the UFC.
    UFC fight contract: I may be wrong but I believe the minimum wage in the UFC is $6,000. It goes up from there. I've had agents tell me they are pushing for a 5 fight contract. Why? If you're fighter goes on a win streak he can't demand more money. If he loses, he gets cut.
    I suggest: A three fight NO cut contract. This lets the fighter know that for one year they are UFC fighters. They can focus on fighting and that's it. The UFC is going to be more selective knowing that the guy they sign will be around for a year. This gives the fighter time to get over the Octagon jitters. And build a fan base because the fans know this guy will be around for at least a year. Right now guys come and go. So what difference does it make if you have one guy signed for three fights instead of three guys that are one and done?
    Pay scale: Again, I could be wrong, but I believe the UFC minimum is 6k.
    I suggest: Starting salary $10,000 to show, $5,000 win bonus. If you win, your next fight is $10/7.5. The third fight on your contract would be $10/10. For one year the fighter knows that they will be making a minimum of 30k.

    "Don't talk about money!"
    That's the golden rule when it comes to athletes. The average person will think you're an ungrateful crybaby and the owners will think you're ungrateful for all they've done for you.

    "You got paid to follow your dreams!"
    Sure did. And much like a painter who loves to paint and someone comes along and offers to sell their paintings and makes a mint off of them, the painter deserves his fair share.

    "You're saying this over social media? You should be a man and say these things privately and face to face!"
    I did. Over many years. And I was labeled an asshole and not a company man. And if you're not a company man that means no appearances and no exposure from corporate. And social media is today's version of picketing outside the offices. I can reach millions of people that are in my key demographic of people I want to reach instead of wearing a sandwich board outside an office. I did complain about having to pay to use the gym at the Palms to help my fighter cut weight. I was told rather soundly that I was the only one complaining and to be quiet. I did complain about sponsors being charge a tax or not being able to thank sponsors after fights and got THE call, telling me to be quiet. I even went to the MMA "journalists" and was told the repercussions of doing a story on such things would result in passes being pulled.
    Do I represent every fighter? Hell no.

    Do I think the UFC deserves to make the lion's share of the money? Hell yes. They are the ones that invested millions of dollars and years worth of time. And they are continuing to grow, worldwide.

    And the UFC wants to present itself as a professional organization with uniforms and codes of conduct. And yet with all that, there is no one representing the fighters and what they want and need.

    If you know me you would know I'm for increasing the minimum wage to about $10 an hour. But not $15 an hour. The minimum wage in the NBA is about $470k. I'm suggesting the minimum wage in the UFC be about $30k. You may call it apples and oranges but we have to start somewhere.

    Feel free to quote stats that make me look like an idiot. Point out how I fought for the title and got brutally KO'ed. All I'm doing is trying to help my fellow fighters and speak my opinion. I'm not representing anyone but myself. I can only speak from my own experiences.

    And my experience with the UFC was amazing. I got to fight for the world title, man! And Dana personally decided to pay for my back surgery. Not too many other bosses would do that. Everything in my life besides my daughter has come from fighting. And I'd do it all over again.

    Oh, I'm not trying to generate interest for a comeback on my part. I'm not trying to promote Bellator or get cut from the UFC so I can fight for them. I'm sharing MY experiences. Good AND bad. And when I see the fighters losing sponsorship dollars for no good reason, that's when I feel I need to speak up.

    Honestly, I don't enjoy this. But I have this little voice inside my head that won't let me sleep unless it gets its chance to talk.

    Thank you all
  • 02-21-2014, 12:07 AM
    mmawolverine
    Well based on his response at the scrum its not happening anytime soon, so maybe we can tone down the humdrum. It wasn't so much that he made an ass of himself but he did kind of go off on Mike Chiapetta u can hear Mike repeated saying well "I'm not a bitch" poor guy always takes it personally when Dana goes on a rant against the media as a whole.
  • 02-20-2014, 10:57 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniggles View Post
    Annnnnd Lorenzo did not comment on the fact that the UFC bilk money from possible fighter's income with their absurd fee and will soon put even more restrictions with a ridiculous uniform idea.
    Watch the UFC 170 pre fight scrum for Dana White, he loses his shit on reporters asking about the fighters uniform and looks like a complete ass again.
  • 02-20-2014, 10:34 PM
    Sniggles
    Annnnnd Lorenzo did not comment on the fact that the UFC bilk money from possible fighter's income with their absurd fee and will soon put even more restrictions with a ridiculous uniform idea.
  • 02-20-2014, 08:22 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Fertitta responds to Quarry remarks
    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...uarry-remarks/
    Now, in an interview with Yahoo Sports' Kevin Iole, ZUFFA CEO Lorenzo Fertitta responds.

    UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta was clearly weary of discussing complaints about the company's business practices.

    "This sport is in its infancy," said Fertitta. "And I'll admit that there is so much more to be done, but the media is focusing so much on the negative and there are far more positives out there in terms of what we have done for the sport and the fighters. You come to work every day and you kind of feel beaten down because it's something new [to complain about] every day."

    "I'm not going to argue or counter every specific claim made by Nate Quarry on some website. I'm super proud of what we have done for our athletes, this sport and this company. Our track record is darn good as a whole and we have nothing to be embarrassed about.

    "This fight Nate is talking about was so long ago and clearly the business wasn't where it is today. It was in its infancy and we were coming out of a period where we suffered millions upon millions in losses. It wasn't an insignificant amount of money. And I'll tell you this, Nate is a smart guy. Absolutely he is. He knew when he signed his contract exactly what he'd be paid."

    In an interview with Iole, Quarry estimated that UFC fighters were paid just 1-2% of gross. Fertitta flatly denied the figure.

    "That's not even close but I'm not going to go into specifics about it," said Fertitta. "I'm interested in how Nate Quarry knows so much about our business that he can say that. As I said earlier, though, fighter compensation has increased multiples upon multiples since we've gotten into the business and built it up to where it is today.

    "We're very proud of what our athletes make. Granted, back in 2004, 2005, it was a different world. We weren't getting the revenues back then that we are today. We feel the fighters are getting their fair share, if not more."

    "[Fighter payroll] has gone up significantly, and though I don't have it at the tip of my fingers, I can tell you it's gone up faster than the percentage of revenue growth. Fighter comp is growing at a faster rate than revenues."
  • 02-18-2014, 02:21 AM
    The Donosaur
    "The thing about Nate Quarry is that he is an emotional guy. He doesn't understand how the business works. I love the guy, but he is a fucking idiot! The thing he doesn't know is that a bunch of And1 executives tried to rape his Mom, and murder a bunch of puppies, but I fought them off while riding my pet dragon. You don't hear Nate talking about that do you?!?! Probably because he is an ungrateful piece of shit. I think he is a great guy, but he has a bunch of problems that nobody knows about, and I would never tell a soul, but it's bad, man. It's drugs, he does tons of drugs, and he has a time machine that he uses to go back to hang out with his pal Hitler. They killed those puppies that I saved, and did a ton of drugs. Like I said, nobody is a bigger Nate Quarry fan than me. I just wish he would die, because that's what he deserves. Fuck! Fuck!! Fuck!!!"-Dana White (tomorrow)
  • 02-18-2014, 01:21 AM
    IceCold48
    lol at Dana trying to look like a humanitarian and then Nate Quarry goes to the Underground forum and exposes his ass.
  • 02-17-2014, 09:10 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Don't lose your shirt! UFC fighter uniforms may not be as beneficial as advertised
    At the media luncheon, White explained that the uniform is meant to help fighters deal with an rapidly shrinking sponsorship market.

    "It's not as big as everybody makes it out to be. Those are the guys that are making tons of money anyway, and they make big money on sponsorship. The lower level guys? They're not making a bunch from sponsorship. We just saw the thing go down with Mac Danzig. He said, 'I'm done. I don't want to deal with this anymore.'

    Do you know how many fighters call me and say they don't want to deal with sponsorships anymore? What can you do? It's not as plentiful as everybody makes it out to be."

    While White's reasoning may appear to be altruistic at face value, a big reason for sponsorship money drying up is the UFC's own "sponsorship tax," in which a company must pay ZUFFA for the right to sponsor a fighter inside the cage.

    The rumored $100,000 yearly fee is subtracted from marketing budgets that would otherwise be given directly to fighters.

    Yes, the argument could be made that the tax also protects fighters from sponsors who may not have the financial backing to actually pay on a contracted agreement, but in a sport where athletes cover the considerably high training costs themselves, every little bit helps.

    Former UFC Middleweight title contender Nate Quarry hit the Underground Forum to offer his first hand experience of the UFC's handling of the sponsorship tax. Quarry retired in 2010 with a 7-3 record inside the Octagon. He also had a public spat with an approved sponsor, The Fight Mafia, who refused to pay on their contracted agreement.

    When I signed with the UFC this is what I was told "We can't pay you much but you can have any sponsors you want."
    Then: We need to approve your sponsors.
    Then: You can't have any conflicting sponsors.
    Then: You can't thank your sponsors after fights.
    Then: We are not approving any sponsors that we don't like their product.
    Then: Your sponsors have to pay us a fee of $50,000 for the pleasure to sponsor you.
    Then: Your sponsors have to pay us a fee of $100,000 for the pleasure to sponsor you.

    If a sponsor has a budget of 10k to sponsor a fighter, they are then out. If there are 5 shorts companies in the UFC you can only go to them for a sponsorship. If they have spent their budget or don't want to support an up and coming fighter they give you shorts instead of money. If you're fighting for $6,000 to show and fighting 3 times a year, even $500 makes a big difference. When there is no competition they don't have to pay you. I lost And1 as a sponsor when the UFC enacted the tax.

    Already, some fighters have begun to speak out about the plans for a uniform. One of those fighters is Felice Herrig, who is a cast member of the upcoming 20th season of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF).

    Herrig protects her image and has created a brand for herself and sponsors that make her one of the few truly recognizable women in mixed martial arts (MMA). From her weigh in outfits to her appearance on fight night, everything is planned to optimize her brand.

    Herrig took to instagram to voice her complaints.

    "I design and custom make all my weigh in and fight outfits so for me this is a very big deal and a very big part of my brand and image.

    A lot of fighters like myself get paid more money from sponsors and a lot is based on marketability and mother style I bring to weigh ins and also the fights. Taking that away takes a lot away from what they are trying to do as far as getting people hooked to WMMA.

    It's called business and regardless of what some people might think there is a lot more to a fighters business than just the act of them playing their sport."

    While Herrig has been the most vocal, in speaking with my own contacts within the industry, most share the same sentiment. These include sponsors, fighters, and managers who have all echoed that the uniform could do more harm than good.

    As the uniform is being made by a major apparel company, it is unlikely that a competitor's logo makes it onto the fighters' shorts or t-shirt.

    This is where things get dicey.

    What exactly is the definition of a competitor? Will this company view Hayabusa or Venum as a competitor? Or will it only be other major companies? And in regards to placement of logos, most sponsor contracts have terms dictating which areas of shorts and shirts are available, with the butt being the most sought after placement.

    One sponsor, who chose to remain anonymous, told me that "it changes the landscape and we don't know how until there are more specifics. It could be a very positive thing. Everybody will have to adjust in some way, from sponsors to fighters to managers. The details will be important. We'll see how it plays out."

    That sponsor is correct. Until there are more details made available, it's all speculation at this point.

    But one thing is certain. This is a pivotal time for the UFC, who have long sought to be accepted as a major sport. While the uniform could benefit the athlete monetarily, it will mostly serve as a way for the UFC to be viewed on the same level as the NFL and NBA, where uniforms are the norm.
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