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  • 02-15-2014, 08:10 PM
    SimpleJack
    Quote Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior View Post
    We do the same in football with free agency; why can't we do it for UFC? I have never played QB in my life but I know that Mark Sanchez isn't worth $9 million a year because I can compare that number to what other players at his position/skill level are worth. And is a 200K contract with Bellator as good as a 200K contract with the UFC? Likely, you would lose/get less from sponsors due to less exposure and hyping your fights becomes more difficult as the UFC owns your last 11 fights. And as stated before, how quickly would you burn through credible opponents. For the record, I want the UFC to resign him as I want to see him fight Pettis or possible Aldo. I do accept that business is business though, and everyone wants to get the better deal in a contract.
    Poorly thought out post.

    Mma has no cba.
    Mma has no veteran minimum contracts.
    Mma has no draft.
    Mma has no franchise tags.
  • 02-15-2014, 07:19 PM
    Cat--Smasher
    Ariel Helwani ‏@arielhelwani 23m

    WSOF telling me now they believe they offered Melendez a better deal than Bellator. They are trying to sign him, as well. Stay tuned.
    ...
  • 02-15-2014, 05:02 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    No, it's a little different. People who train can have an educated opinion.
    You've stated that fans don't know anything about how the UFC pays fighters. You've staunchly defended an incredibly disparate pay scale. dana has said fans don't know anything about how fighters are paid, and there has always been talk of backroom bonuses, etc.

    So on the one hand, people who train have an educated opinion on the subject when they break down fights. On the other, people make subjective comments about how much Gil is worth without even knowing more than a small portion of the story.


    How many of those "ton" of guys are top 3 in the world?
    Granted, we don't know more than a bit of the story, but--if he's actually asking for 200k--I don't see a problem with someone who is the third best at what they do making half a million a year in a multi-billion dollar company.


    For hopefully the last time, you can't compare MMA to a league like the NFL or the MLB. With zuffa, you have one owner controlling the vast majority of monies in the entire sport. You don't have a commissioner to keep things relatively arbitrated. You don't have other owners keeping each other in check. You don't have a players union.

    What is more, you can look up Sanchez's contract and compare it to Matt Stafford's. You can compare it as a percentage of what the org brings in. The bulk of that information is available. We don't have that baseline with zuffa. Instead, you have a president who pulls the credentials of anyone who acts like an actual journalist and questions the situation, as opposed to behaving like a paid mouthpiece like Helwani. You have a public that lies somewhere between deliberately misinformed and generally ignorant, and yet they feel qualified to make statements about what a fighter is worth or not.

    rh
    Guys who are very overrated are going to ask to get 6 figures per fight just because they are ranked high. Wasn't geroge sotiropolous ranked 5 in the world not all that long ago? He was not by any means the 5th best but he was ranked there because of a winning streak. That guy does not deserve 6 figures per fight!
  • 02-15-2014, 04:57 PM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement View Post
    Kinda like people who've never fought having any opinion on fighting?
    No, it's a little different. People who train can have an educated opinion.
    You've stated that fans don't know anything about how the UFC pays fighters. You've staunchly defended an incredibly disparate pay scale. dana has said fans don't know anything about how fighters are paid, and there has always been talk of backroom bonuses, etc.

    So on the one hand, people who train have an educated opinion on the subject when they break down fights. On the other, people make subjective comments about how much Gil is worth without even knowing more than a small portion of the story.

    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    200k for Gil from the UFC would cause chaos as a ton more guys would want that much. Mind you it is 200k a fight! Not total.
    How many of those "ton" of guys are top 3 in the world?
    Granted, we don't know more than a bit of the story, but--if he's actually asking for 200k--I don't see a problem with someone who is the third best at what they do making half a million a year in a multi-billion dollar company.

    Quote Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior View Post
    We do the same in football with free agency; why can't we do it for UFC? I have never played QB in my life but I know that Mark Sanchez isn't worth $9 million a year because I can compare that number to what other players at his position/skill level are worth. And is a 200K contract with Bellator as good as a 200K contract with the UFC? Likely, you would lose/get less from sponsors due to less exposure and hyping your fights becomes more difficult as the UFC owns your last 11 fights. And as stated before, how quickly would you burn through credible opponents. For the record, I want the UFC to resign him as I want to see him fight Pettis or possible Aldo. I do accept that business is business though, and everyone wants to get the better deal in a contract.
    For hopefully the last time, you can't compare MMA to a league like the NFL or the MLB. With zuffa, you have one owner controlling the vast majority of monies in the entire sport. You don't have a commissioner to keep things relatively arbitrated. You don't have other owners keeping each other in check. You don't have a players union.

    What is more, you can look up Sanchez's contract and compare it to Matt Stafford's. You can compare it as a percentage of what the org brings in. The bulk of that information is available. We don't have that baseline with zuffa. Instead, you have a president who pulls the credentials of anyone who acts like an actual journalist and questions the situation, as opposed to behaving like a paid mouthpiece like Helwani. You have a public that lies somewhere between deliberately misinformed and generally ignorant, and yet they feel qualified to make statements about what a fighter is worth or not.

    rh
  • 02-15-2014, 03:38 PM
    GangGreenWarrior
    We do the same in football with free agency; why can't we do it for UFC? I have never played QB in my life but I know that Mark Sanchez isn't worth $9 million a year because I can compare that number to what other players at his position/skill level are worth. And is a 200K contract with Bellator as good as a 200K contract with the UFC? Likely, you would lose/get less from sponsors due to less exposure and hyping your fights becomes more difficult as the UFC owns your last 11 fights. And as stated before, how quickly would you burn through credible opponents. For the record, I want the UFC to resign him as I want to see him fight Pettis or possible Aldo. I do accept that business is business though, and everyone wants to get the better deal in a contract.
  • 02-15-2014, 03:03 PM
    dan the man 67
    It's the fan's and the UFC's loss if they let him go. If they want to be known as the organization with the very best in the world in it, Gilbert should be there. The UFC may very well be taking the position that because they are the NHL, MLB, NFL, or NBA of the MMA world, therefore fighters should accept less to be there, then it can spawn other top fighters to leave. I hope they make the right decision and match what he has been offered elsewhere.

    What's a fighter worth? A fighter is worth precisely what someone is willing to pay them, plain and simple.
  • 02-15-2014, 02:42 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Tongan.Death.Grip View Post
    People like to talk about revenue from gate attendance and ppv numbers. What about all the merchandise, advertising, kick backs from cities clamering for events, console games, back catalouge fight sales (eg 100 ko's), all undisclosed.

    Damn 200k aint shit!

    Tell me how much the UFC has grown in the last ten years and then take a long look at how the fighter pay is virtually the same as ten years ago.

    Its all bullshit.
    200k for Gil from the UFC would cause chaos as a ton more guys would want that much. Mind you it is 200k a fight! Not total.
  • 02-15-2014, 02:12 PM
    Fedorlei Gomipierre
    Quote Originally Posted by Tongan.Death.Grip View Post
    People like to talk about revenue from gate attendance and ppv numbers. What about all the merchandise, advertising, kick backs from cities clamering for events, console games, back catalouge fight sales (eg 100 ko's), all undisclosed.

    Damn 200k aint shit!

    Tell me how much the UFC has grown in the last ten years and then take a long look at how the fighter pay is virtually the same as ten years ago.

    Its all bullshit.
    100% agree.....but welcome to the world of the "independent contractor".
  • 02-15-2014, 02:10 PM
    Sakara=Excitement
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    I find it odd that people who don't fight for a living feel entitled to decide how much a fighter is worth.

    rh
    Kinda like people who've never fought having any opinion on fighting?
  • 02-15-2014, 02:05 PM
    1inthechamber
    How does a guy who easily should have been champ get turned away. Would be nice if he went to WSOF instead. I don't think anyone else should go to Bellator after the Alvarez situation.
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