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  • 02-25-2014, 05:40 PM
    Bacchus81
    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    The ufc told fighters that they would start with a low pay, but were allowed to have sponsors to make some extra cash, then changed that and said ohh wait, you can have sponsors if they pay us 50k per show, now they are saying fighters can only wear ufc clothing. Well, out went that source of income. And I don't think the ufc payed their fighters any more , since they implemented their sponsorship tax. So no, the fighters didn't necessarily know what they were getting into.
    The UFC never told the sponsors they had to pay to sponsor a fighter only that to have their brand or logo displayed on the UFC broadcast. Have you never seen a live TV show where peoples hats and shirts were blurred out? They never told a fighter you can't have that sponsor or do media events for that company. So you are mad cause the UFC wouldn't advertise companies for free but are not mad at those companies for dropping fighters when they realize that that they will have to do real marketing drives. Because paying a fighter 5k, 10k, 25k, is significantly cheaper than paying for a commercial or even a line of adds in 10 magazines.



    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean. I cannot understand it's context, can you explain it? Are you saying that we shouldn't go to the ufc and ask them to play a soccer event or something like that?
    I'm saying that the UFC is running their company how they want offering what they want to offer you as the consumer can accept this or go without.



    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    A person who works at kfc can make more money than the lower payed end of ufc fighters, which is terribly sad considering the ufc is supposed to be a premiere sports company. I think the equivalent would be if kfc was a monopoly and they tried to start paying their workers less than paper boys, in which case they would be bullies/assholes.
    Lets take pro football for example here it took decades for players to make substantial enough income to not need a day job on top of playing football. By decades I mean almost 40 years. Baseball and Basketball have similar stories. Now as for lowering their pay that's a joke and your either blind or grasping for straws.

    UFC 65

    Georges St. Pierre – $58,000 ($29,000/fight, $29,000/win over Hughes)

    Matt Hughes – $75,000 (lost to St. Pierre)

    Tim Sylvia – $120,000 ($60,000/fight, $60,000/win over Monson)

    Jeff Monson – $13,000 (lost to Sylvia)

    Drew McFedries – $8,000 ($4,000/fight, $4,000/win over Sakara)

    Alessio Sakara – $10,000 (lost to McFedries)

    Brandon Vera – $40,000 ($20,000/fight, $20,000/win over Mir)

    Frank Mir – $36,000 (lost to Vera)

    Joe Stevenson – $24,000 ($12,000/fight, $12,000/win over Mishima)

    Dokonjonosuke Mishima – $8,000 (lost to Stevenson)

    James Irvin – $10,000 ($5,000/fight, $5,000/win over Ramirez)

    Hector Ramirez – $3,000 (lost to Irvin)

    Antoni Hardonk – $6,000 ($3,000/fight, $3,000/win over Pendergarst)

    Sherman Pendergarst – $4,000 (lost to Hardonk)

    Nick Diaz – $24,000 ($12,000/fight, $12,000/win over Tibau)

    Gleison Tibau – $3,000 (lost to Diaz)

    Jake O'Brien – $12,000 ($6,000/fight, $6,000 win over Shockman)

    Josh Shockman – $3,000 (lost to O'Brien)


    UFC 168

    Chris Weidman: $400,000 ($200,000 to show, $200,000 to win)
    Anderson Silva: $600,000

    Ronda Rousey: $100,000 ($50,000 to show, $50,000 to win)
    Miesha Tate: $28,000

    Travis Browne: $56,000 ($28,000 to show, $28,000 to win)
    Josh Barnett: $170,000

    Jim Miller: $92,000 ($46,000 to show, $46,000 to win)
    Fabricio Camoes: $8,000

    Dustin Poirier: $46,000 ($23,000 to show, $23,000 to win)
    Diego Brandao: $20,000

    Uriah Hall: $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 to win)
    Chris Leben: $51,000

    Michael Johnson: $36,000 ($18,000 to show, $18,000 to win)
    Gleison Tibau: $39,000

    Dennis Siver: $66,000 ($33,000 to show, $33,000 to win)
    Manny Gamburyan: $25,000

    John Howard: $32,000 ($16,000 to show, $16,000 to win)
    Siyar Bahadurzada: $17,000

    William Macario Patolino: $20,000 ($10,000 to show, $10,000 to win)
    Bobby Voelker: $12,000

    Robbie Peralta: $24,000 ($12,000 to show, $12,000 to win)
    Estevan Payan: $10,000
  • 02-25-2014, 02:27 PM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    It was still his enxt fight. Arvloski fight was in january 09.
    No idea what you are saying as I wasn't disputing anything to do with Fedor's ranking... much less when even mentioning it.

    All I'm saying that saying Brock would have only been the 8th best heavyweight in Strikeforce at the time Fedor joined (August 2009) is a real stretch at best in my opinion.
  • 02-25-2014, 01:37 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    Bloody Elbow January 2009 MMA Meta-Rankings: Heavyweight

    Win 31–1 (1) Brett Rogers KO (punch) Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers 7 November 2009


    The rankings are from January 2009 Fedor wasn't even officially signed with Strikeforce until August 2009 8 months later. Much less he didn't fight Rogers til Novemeber 2009 11 months later.

    Maybe you define it differently but that is well before
    It was still his enxt fight. Arvloski fight was in january 09.
  • 02-25-2014, 01:36 PM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    It wasn't well before it was right before his fight with Rogers.

    Bloody Elbow January 2009 MMA Meta-Rankings: Heavyweight

    Win 31–1 (1) Brett Rogers KO (punch) Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers 7 November 2009


    The rankings are from January 2009 Fedor wasn't even officially signed with Strikeforce until August 2009 8 months later. Much less he didn't fight Rogers til Novemeber 2009 11 months later.

    Maybe you define it differently but that is well before
  • 02-25-2014, 08:40 AM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    Those rankings are not from when Fedor joined Strikeforce they were well before..

    But see as we are talking about best we still go back to my original point that you have Arvloski, Rogers, or Karitonov as being better then Brock by your numbers... As well as unproven Cormier, Silva, and Werdum. No way I'd may the claim that he would have been 8th best
    It wasn't well before it was right before his fight with Rogers.
  • 02-25-2014, 06:33 AM
    Rise
    Quote Originally Posted by IceCold48 View Post
    I said he was the 8th best not ranked 8. And these rankings http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/11...-january-mma-m
    Those rankings are not from when Fedor joined Strikeforce they were well before..

    But see as we are talking about best we still go back to my original point that you have Arvloski, Rogers, or Karitonov as being better then Brock by your numbers... As well as unproven Cormier, Silva, and Werdum. No way I'd may the claim that he would have been 8th best
  • 02-25-2014, 04:03 AM
    initial_zen
    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus81 View Post
    Lol actually it right on point with all the UFC is a bully crying I see. The fighters don't get paid enough, they agreed to their pay. The UFC is not letting me be sponsored by this company, well actually their not letting you wear that companies logo on their broadcast if you want to go do photo shoots with them or other forms of promotion that's on your time they cant and wont stop you. They can however say no we are sponsored by Bud Light so no you cant wear a Miller Light hat during your post fight interview. Them charging a company a fee to sponsor again not whats happening and again makes perfect sense. Hi we're gonna come on your privately founded multinational broadcast and advertise our brand with out compensating you at all. Though since you didn't understand the analogies at a kindergarten level I doubt you will understand them at a slightly elevated level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus81 View Post
    My point is fighters sign contracts knowing they are obligated to its terms. The organizations are a business nothing more.
    The ufc told fighters that they would start with a low pay, but were allowed to have sponsors to make some extra cash, then changed that and said ohh wait, you can have sponsors if they pay us 50k per show, now they are saying fighters can only wear ufc clothing. Well, out went that source of income. And I don't think the ufc payed their fighters any more , since they implemented their sponsorship tax. So no, the fighters didn't necessarily know what they were getting into.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus81 View Post
    Go to Burger King and tell them you want a New York strip see how that goes for you.
    I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean. I cannot understand it's context, can you explain it? Are you saying that we shouldn't go to the ufc and ask them to play a soccer event or something like that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus81 View Post
    Are you going to call KFC a bully cause it pays its employees less than Popeye's?
    A person who works at kfc can make more money than the lower payed end of ufc fighters, which is terribly sad considering the ufc is supposed to be a premiere sports company. I think the equivalent would be if kfc was a monopoly and they tried to start paying their workers less than paper boys, in which case they would be bullies/assholes.
  • 02-24-2014, 05:07 PM
    IceCold48
    Quote Originally Posted by Rise View Post
    At the time Fedor joined Strikeforce Brock had already become the UFC champ was on a 3 fight win streak... Arvloski on the other hand was on a 2 fight losing streak. Not sure what rankings you were using but no way should a current reigning champ be ranked behind someone that was losing.

    Your contention was that Brock would have not been rated any higher then 8th at the time so I was addressing merely that... it's conjecture as to who would win in a fight with some of those guys at this point. I personally think a healthy Brock holds his own against Werdum (remembering his striking has improved a lot since 2009)
    I said he was the 8th best not ranked 8. And these rankings http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/11...-january-mma-m
  • 02-24-2014, 03:11 PM
    Bacchus81
    Quote Originally Posted by The Return Of...... View Post
    KFC sucks and I like Pepsi not Coke....

    Uniform Flare?????? Not since Office Space have I heard this term used......and never in a serious way before
    LOL uniform flare is actually a strongly pushed and recommended form of individualizing your standard issue uniform at retail, fast food, and chain restaurants. Boosts moral in a shitty job and supposedly creates a friendly open atmosphere with the customers.
  • 02-24-2014, 03:06 PM
    Bacchus81
    Quote Originally Posted by initial_zen View Post
    None of your analogies are even close to being in line with what the ufc is doing.
    Lol actually it right on point with all the UFC is a bully crying I see. The fighters don't get paid enough, they agreed to their pay. The UFC is not letting me be sponsored by this company, well actually their not letting you wear that companies logo on their broadcast if you want to go do photo shoots with them or other forms of promotion that's on your time they cant and wont stop you. They can however say no we are sponsored by Bud Light so no you cant wear a Miller Light hat during your post fight interview. Them charging a company a fee to sponsor again not whats happening and again makes perfect sense. Hi we're gonna come on your privately founded multinational broadcast and advertise our brand with out compensating you at all. Though since you didn't understand the analogies at a kindergarten level I doubt you will understand them at a slightly elevated level.
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