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  • 04-15-2014, 09:46 AM
    Cat--Smasher
    Donald Cerrone on Nate Diaz's UFC freeze: 'Go ahead, I will not be waiting'
    “If he wants to wait until he gets paid, then that’s his right,” Cerrone told MMAjunkie. “Go ahead. Wait on. I will not be waiting. I’ll be fighting whoever wants to fight.”

    Cerrone (22-6 MMA, 9-3 UFC), who meets Edson Barboza (13-1 MMA, 7-1 UFC) on Saturday at UFC on FOX 11, isn’t keeping tabs on Diaz’s standoff with the UFC over pay. He’s of the mindset that a fighter is responsible for his or her bottom line.

    Or, in his case, frequently irresponsible, which is why Cerrone stays busy and wants to keep it that way.

    “Whoever wants to make money, they can call me to fight,” he continued. “If you’re a 55-er and you want to make money, let me know. I’m down.”
    Asked if he was still struggling financially, Cerrone laughed as though his previous comments were in jest.

    “Nah, I’m not broke,” he said. “I’m good. Good to go.”

    Cerrone is always on the move, in fact, which probably keeps him from dwelling on his bank statements. He showed up late to the media day and parked a trio of horses from his ranch in the gym’s lot so he could ride them after practice.

    When he’s not in the gym and the sun is out, Cerrone is riding, wakeboarding, rock climbing or camping. His schedule and lifestyle often puts him out of step with his team.

    “I’m kind of the outcast guy,” Cerrone said. “Like, I’ve got to make those guys hang out with me; they don’t really like to do the stuff I like to do. But that’s cool. My idea of a good time and their idea of a good time are two totally different ideas of good times.”

    Cerrone said he almost didn’t attend his press duty and wound up practicing by himself. He said his coaches decide his schedule, but he could “overrule” them if he felt like it.

    “If it’s 80 degrees and the sun is shining and there’s no wind on the lake, I’m going to go wakeboarding, and they think I’m crazy,” he said. “They like to train, go home and sleep, eat and then do it again.”

    Cerrone said he does the same, but with some well-needed distractions that almost always involve dangerous physical activity. He was once blocked from trying his hand at bull-riding by UFC President Dana White.

    Despite his appetite for risk, Cerrone said he is just as excited about fighting as ever and can’t wait to test his muay Thai skills against the Brazilian Barboza, who’s also known as a devastating striker.

    Fighter pay? Promotional favoritism? Unions? Whatever, dude.

    “As far as the UFC treating me well and paying me, I have no complaints at all,” Cerrone said. “I hear a lot of people complaining about that. If you want more money, just fight more. That’s my answer to that.

    “You want to go out there and secure your position at No. 3 or No. 4, or you want to make $200,000 a fight, whatever. UFC treats me just fine. I’m happy to be with them. As a matter of fact, whenever we go to renegotiate, I just say, ‘Whatever. Yeah, cool. Great.’”

    He then adds: “They’ve never not given me a raise. They’ve never tried to decrease my money. They’ve always taken very good care of me, ever since we transferred over from the WEC until today, I’m 100 percent satisfied with what I make and what I earn in the UFC.”
  • 04-12-2014, 06:58 AM
    joeodd2
    If he wants more money he needs to go in and destroy top contenders FIRST. Something tells me he's just looking for a big payday before retiring. Either that or he wants to annoy Dana out of his contract and use his name to get big payday boxing fights. If he were to fight Lombard and tool him, maybe finish him, then he could make a case for a title shot or "re-negotiate" terms for better pay. But he'd done nothing but lose in his last 2 fights. Seriously......I think both of these guys need mental help and new management....
  • 04-11-2014, 09:47 AM
    rivethead
    I think that's what it has devolved into--much like the term p4p has lost meaning--but originally it was breaking into the rankings/main card/big money.

    There were very spirited discussions when people stated Franklin was a gatekeeper after the second Anderson loss. Franklin fans were not having it.

    rh
  • 04-11-2014, 09:05 AM
    The Donosaur
    I guess to break down the term, the gate is the imaginary line between title shot and no title shot. The gate keeper is the guy protecting that line, but he never crosses the line himself, sort of like a bouncer not entering the club, but always being at the door. To me a gate keeper can't be a gate keeper if he gets in (fights for the belt), so there has to be a good reason why not (Franklin already losing to Silva twice). I feel really silly for that whole analogy, I apologize.
  • 04-11-2014, 08:55 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by Goremire View Post
    Just on the gatekeeper definition, I always thought that a gatekeeper was a guy who could be relied upon to beat pretty much everyone except the elite talent in a division - if you beat him, you were ready for the step up to the big time. He might be a former champion or contender himself whose time had passed, or perhaps never managed to win that fight that would propel him into the big time.

    i didn't realise there were other definitions out there. You live and learn.
    That's what I'd thought. I remember people getting PISSED when Franklin was referred to as a gatekeeper.

    rh
  • 04-11-2014, 08:54 AM
    Goremire
    Just on the gatekeeper definition, I always thought that a gatekeeper was a guy who could be relied upon to beat pretty much everyone except the elite talent in a division - if you beat him, you were ready for the step up to the big time. He might be a former champion or contender himself whose time had passed, or perhaps never managed to win that fight that would propel him into the big time.

    i didn't realise there were other definitions out there. You live and learn.
  • 04-11-2014, 08:36 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by The Donosaur View Post
    I think the term gatekeeper is FAR over used in general. People use the term to describe a guy who fights good fighters, but won't get enough wins strung together to ever get a title shot. The thing about that is that to even be in that position they have to be pretty good themselves, and be capable of putting together a few wins. That isn't to say the term shouldn't exist at all. Rich Franklin was a gate keeper at middleweight during Anderson reign. That's not a knock on him, just saying that he wasn't getting a 3rd fight with Silva. Bisping probably should get the label, but even he could eventually get over the hump, and win a fight that puts him into title contention. Sonnen was probably gonna be a gatekeeper at middleweight after the second fight, but he changed weight classes to avoid the situation entirely. The same is true of Edgar, even though, in my opinion, he beat Bendo (the second time for sure) and Aldo. To me to be a gate keeper, you would almost have to have had 2 fights against the current champ, and lost convincingly. I could be wrong on how others even view the term, but that's just how I personally view it.
    Interesting. I'd always heard the term used about guys who were on the fringe of rankings and who wouldn't be headlining cards.

    I could see the logic with your definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by GL Jeff View Post
    If your not going to be a champion arent you forced into the gatekeeper role?
    see above.

    I am being biased, I really don't like the Diaz brothers, for obvious and various reasons, I think they have spit in the face of the golden goose they have stumbled across.
    I can understand being frustrated and annoyed by them, for sure.
    But I don't know that they "stumbled" across anything. Nick has been fighting longer than zuffa has been in existence. He was there first. He's made 10x more money for zuffa than zuffa has made for him. Both brothers see a disparity in pay scale, certainly when you look at talent vs. salary and they're ineffective in voicing their opinions. Interestingly, they remind me of posters who don't like the way the board is being run.

    He fought for the title as a gimme for Hendo, I really do not see him ever making a legit run at the LW title with the course he is on now. I see him ending with a 50/50 record in the UFC.
    I think it's all about their attitude. Both Diaz brothers are far more talented than say, Diego or Guida, but won't get they "aw man, those guys always bring it! Lookit their heart!" credit Sanchez and Clay get, because the Diaz brothers are unpleasant. Nate will face better fighters [and lose to some of them] as well, and could well end up with a 50/50 record...and that's if either of them ever fight again.

    I think it's interesting how zuffa really pushed for fighters to use social media [twitter bonuses, etc] but it has potential to generate bad press as well as good. Then again, I don't think zuffa brass cares, as they seem to subscribe to the myth that no publicity is bad publicity.

    rh
  • 04-11-2014, 07:39 AM
    GL Jeff
    If your not going to be a champion arent you forced into the gatekeeper role? I am being biased, I really don't like the Diaz brothers, for obvious and various reasons, I think they have spit in the face of the golden goose they have stumbled across.

    He fought for the title as a gimme for Hendo, I really do not see him ever making a legit run at the LW title with the course he is on now. I see him ending with a 50/50 record in the UFC.
  • 04-11-2014, 07:14 AM
    The Donosaur
    I think the term gatekeeper is FAR over used in general. People use the term to describe a guy who fights good fighters, but won't get enough wins strung together to ever get a title shot. The thing about that is that to even be in that position they have to be pretty good themselves, and be capable of putting together a few wins. That isn't to say the term shouldn't exist at all. Rich Franklin was a gate keeper at middleweight during Anderson reign. That's not a knock on him, just saying that he wasn't getting a 3rd fight with Silva. Bisping probably should get the label, but even he could eventually get over the hump, and win a fight that puts him into title contention. Sonnen was probably gonna be a gatekeeper at middleweight after the second fight, but he changed weight classes to avoid the situation entirely. The same is true of Edgar, even though, in my opinion, he beat Bendo (the second time for sure) and Aldo. To me to be a gate keeper, you would almost have to have had 2 fights against the current champ, and lost convincingly. I could be wrong on how others even view the term, but that's just how I personally view it.
  • 04-11-2014, 07:07 AM
    rivethead
    Quote Originally Posted by GL Jeff View Post
    Those guys are UFC top 10 LW's, but not MMA top 10 LW's. And Maynard still in the top 10 shows how shallow the division is becoming.
    I did not have Cerrone as a top 10 when Nate pwned him. I might have had him top 20, but I've always thought Cerrone--like Guida and Diego--get overhyped because of a "busy" style that fans like.

    I had Miller solidly top 10 in the middle of 2012. He might have been softly ranked as high as 6, but he was 100% a solid ranking at top 10. Plus, factor in that his only losses were to guys who were luminaries in the sport and that he'd never been finished in his entire career. That was a huge, credible win.

    I had Maynard at #10 when they fought, and I don't think it's a soft ranking or a shallow pool.

    Quote Originally Posted by GL Jeff View Post
    He isnt a great fighter, he will not hold UFC gold, and for that he is getting paid very well for what he is, a gatekepper.
    I'm not sure who the "he" you're referring to is, but I'll assume it's Diaz. Simply not becoming champion doesn't make you a gatekeeper. Nate actually is a great fighter. On any given night, he can beat any LW on the planet--that's what makes MMA great, it's got a ton of variables, and Nate is a fighter who can end a fight if his opponent makes a single mistake, standing, grappling, whatever.

    Certainly, he's a pain in the ass. He's uneducated, and comes off as an angry, spoiled brat without an ounce of respect. But he's a legitimate fighter, and is a very solid ranking around 7 or 8 right now.

    or, if you were referring to Maynard, I could see calling Gray a gatekeeper.




    I don't really understand how anyone who isn't in the industry, who isn't looking at actual numbers of revenue and buy rates feels qualified to state what a fighter should be making and what they shouldn't.

    What does Bisping make? Didn't he get a quarter-million to show against Mayhem?
    Should Nate get as much as Bisping? He's unquestionably more talented and has a bigger impact on his division than Pip has.


    rh
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