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  • 08-04-2006, 07:54 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Kewl144
    But that was the whole point. I replied to a post about Tyson trying to learn MMA. You said Tyson learned to box; I said he didnt because he didnt box (he just brawled). Yes that worked for him regarding boxing. But let's make a comparison between Tyson and David Abbott. Abbott never learned the sport of MMA, he only learned to brawl. And his 9 - 11 record is evidence that you need to learn the sport in its entirety to be successful; the same cannot be said for boxing.
    all im saying he ya Tyson brawled but he wasnt an awful boxer, he did know how to box he just wasnt a very good boxer, he was an olympic boxer at one point of his career, he has beaten a handful of boxers with better boxing skills then him, but he wasnt a very good boxer but still I wouldnt say he was dumb to boxing.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:50 AM
    Kewl144
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    true but still Tyson was 1 guy, he made it work for him thats why he was considered so good for so long, not many brawlers were sucessful in boxing or even as succesful as Mike was.
    But that was the whole point. I replied to a post about Tyson trying to learn MMA. You said Tyson learned to box; I said he didnt because he didnt box (he just brawled). Yes that worked for him regarding boxing. But let's make a comparison between Tyson and David Abbott. Abbott never learned the sport of MMA, he only learned to brawl. And his 9 - 11 record is evidence that you need to learn the sport in its entirety to be successful; the same cannot be said for boxing. You can be a successful boxer without actually "boxing" during your fights.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:41 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Kewl144
    But Tyson wasnt a boxer; he was a brawler. He didnt feel out his opponents. He simply went in and tried to overwhelm them and land a haymaker.
    true but still Tyson was 1 guy, he made it work for him thats why he was considered so good for so long, not many brawlers were sucessful in boxing or even as succesful as Mike was.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:38 AM
    Kewl144
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    ok I Agree with most but Boxing isnt for idiots man, its a perfectionist sport.. my boxing coach would get on us if our feet were just a little bit out of position, the way you throw your punches as well.. the right cross when you throw that punch you cant just throw it out there you gotta be sure your covering your chin when you throw it, and if you drop it when you bring the punch back a good boxer will pick that up and eat you alive. Boxers read out there opponents, try to figure out patterns they do and pick them apart, they time there punches, they have to react as fast as the mind can react.. its no sport for idiots man ive played football and boxing, and ill tell you this right now you can play football with only half your brain cells... boxing you'd get killed, thus why the greatest boxer of all time was also the smartest boxer of all time.. Muhammad Ali.
    But Tyson wasnt a boxer; he was a brawler. He didnt feel out his opponents. He simply went in and tried to overwhelm them and land a haymaker.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:34 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Kewl144
    I'm not saying they were bad, just that they didnt have the intelligence to learn the fine aspects of boxing, so they wouldnt come close to trying to learn MMA (which was the point I replied to when I mentioned Tyson). I believe that if you compared various demographics(ie. education, other professional career choices...etc) between boxers and MMA fighters, boxers would be (on average) on bottom. Just out of curiousity, are there any boxers who even have a college education (not trying to be insulting; I'm honestly curious if there are any)?
    ok I Agree with most but Boxing isnt for idiots man, its a perfectionist sport.. my boxing coach would get on us if our feet were just a little bit out of position, the way you throw your punches as well.. the right cross when you throw that punch you cant just throw it out there you gotta be sure your covering your chin when you throw it, and if you drop it when you bring the punch back a good boxer will pick that up and eat you alive. Boxers read out there opponents, try to figure out patterns they do and pick them apart, they time there punches, they have to react as fast as the mind can react.. its no sport for idiots man ive played football and boxing, and ill tell you this right now you can play football with only half your brain cells... boxing you'd get killed, thus why the greatest boxer of all time was also the smartest boxer of all time.. Muhammad Ali.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:24 AM
    Kewl144
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    I agree with what your sayin but

    I wouldnt call a fighter just that, there were a lot of fighters in boxing that werent that bad.. Tyson being one of them

    then there were these brawlers who made a name for themselves for whatever reason like Butterbean who were awful boxers, there are boxers in boxing who dont care for the rhythm of the sport and just try to KO there opponent, TKO there opponent, or win by most damage and its not necessarily a bad strategy, but you come to find out that boxing is the better choice. You got different kinds of boxers too like finese boxers, etc.
    I'm not saying they were bad, just that they didnt have the intelligence to learn the fine aspects of boxing, so they wouldnt come close to trying to learn MMA (which was the point I replied to when I mentioned Tyson). I believe that if you compared various demographics(ie. education, other professional career choices...etc) between boxers and MMA fighters, boxers would be (on average) on bottom. Just out of curiousity, are there any boxers who even have a college education (not trying to be insulting; I'm honestly curious if there are any)?
  • 08-04-2006, 07:13 AM
    Afro
    I agree with what your sayin but

    I wouldnt call a fighter just that, there were a lot of fighters in boxing that werent that bad.. Tyson being one of them

    then there were these brawlers who made a name for themselves for whatever reason like Butterbean who were awful boxers, there are boxers in boxing who dont care for the rhythm of the sport and just try to KO there opponent, TKO there opponent, or win by most damage and its not necessarily a bad strategy, but you come to find out that boxing is the better choice. You got different kinds of boxers too like finese boxers, etc.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:10 AM
    Kewl144
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    that wasnt because he didnt know how to box, it was because he was never that good.. he couldnt compete on Holyfield or Lewis' level but he has beaten a lot of boxers with boxing skills.
    Well let me try to explain what I said. I see boxers in two categories; those that box and those that fight. A fighter that boxes goes in with a technical strategy that consists of more than just trying to land the haymakers. They work on their footwork, their combos, pacing themselves and actually knowing what they want to do in the entire fight (not just a round). A fighter who just fights is just looking for that one punch. They fight from round to round with only one round in their mind instead of thinking about the entire fight (because to them the entire fight is one round, and if they dont win the fight in that round, they think they'll win in the next round). Tyson was a fighter or brawler if you want to call it that. When he tried to make his come back, the sport had progressed past his "arena of skills" and he got frustrated (and ears suffered )
  • 08-04-2006, 07:03 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner
    As evidenced by the fact anytime he fought a "boxer" with skills he got embarrassed. See- holyfield V Tyson and lewis V tyson.
    that wasnt because he didnt know how to box, it was because he was never that good.. he couldnt compete on Holyfield or Lewis' level but he has beaten a lot of boxers with boxing skills.
  • 08-04-2006, 07:02 AM
    Mastiff_owner
    Quote Originally Posted by Kewl144
    Tyson never learned to box; he already knew how to punch and they simply put some gloves on his hands and put him in a ring.
    As evidenced by the fact anytime he fought a "boxer" with skills he got embarrassed. See- holyfield V Tyson and lewis V tyson.
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