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  • 08-03-2006, 08:02 PM
    Alvin
    There is no way this made a profit.

    The WFA work on a shoestring budget so that the fighters are paid as much as they can. They pride themselves on being a fighter friendly promotion. (edit: shoestring budget's probably not the right analogy, but the point is made!)

    So if they paid their fighters this amount they would have to have expected to near filled the arena. The turn out was poor & the PPV (from reading the comments in this forum before the show took place) was not wide-spread.

    Sponsors aside I can't see any other revenue coming in & as previously mentioned Goldberg & Quadrous would have been paid a pretty penny to commentate the show, then you have the behind the scenes crew & administration costs. It's not looking good.

    However, with the news that they're signing talent like Faber (good up & coming fighters) this should be a better direction for them & there's nothing wrong with getting in a crowd pleasing fight, Crocop Vs Buentello for eg, as long as you get value for money.
  • 08-03-2006, 05:12 PM
    supermark21
    Quote Originally Posted by Clint
    There is no way they made a profit. Obviously we don't know exact numbers but look at it once:
    The live gate probably didn't even cover renting out the forum (it was only 1/4 full)

    The pay doesn't include dark matches, win bonuses, or PPV Percentages

    The PPV wans't available in some areas

    They still had to pay:
    Insurance
    Maintenance (to put up the cage, take it down, clean, etc)
    Lawyers for the contracts and Athletic commision issues
    The announcers
    Advertising
    The productions crews
    The refs, judges, Athletic Commission fees, etc
    The people running the day to day operations (booking fighters, getting the show on PPV, running the website, doing promotions, people to answer the phones, etc
    yea but look at how much they paid some of the fighters. how much do you think they really paid the background people
  • 08-03-2006, 04:58 PM
    Clint
    Quote Originally Posted by supermark21
    they made a profit when you factor in the live sales plus ppv plus the amount all the sponsors paid to get their names in the cage and the merchandise sales at the venue
    There is no way they made a profit. Obviously we don't know exact numbers but look at it once:
    The live gate probably didn't even cover renting out the forum (it was only 1/4 full)

    The pay doesn't include dark matches, win bonuses, or PPV Percentages

    The PPV wans't available in some areas

    They still had to pay:
    Insurance
    Maintenance (to put up the cage, take it down, clean, etc)
    Lawyers for the contracts and Athletic commision issues
    The announcers
    Advertising
    The productions crews
    The refs, judges, Athletic Commission fees, etc
    The people running the day to day operations (booking fighters, getting the show on PPV, running the website, doing promotions, people to answer the phones, etc
  • 08-03-2006, 04:26 PM
    BPARKER72
    im completely stunned at bas and rampages payouts wow....thanx for the update guys.
  • 08-03-2006, 03:26 PM
    supermark21
    Quote Originally Posted by Clint
    I understand Rampage being worth alot of money once he is popular in the US (and thereby a draw) but at the moment he is unknown outside of the die-hard fans. The same honestly goes for Bas, we all want to see him fight but the average UFC fans (who are the ones who pay the bills in the end because there are so many of them) have no idea who either of them are.

    In my opinion the WFA did horribly from a business perspective with this event. They obviously lost a ton of money with this event and probably didn't draw in too many fans other than die-hard fans who would have supported them anyways. In my opinion they are going to need a TV deal to survive in any sort of long run.
    they made a profit when you factor in the live sales plus ppv plus the amount all the sponsors paid to get their names in the cage and the merchandise sales at the venue
  • 08-03-2006, 02:58 PM
    Clint
    I understand Rampage being worth alot of money once he is popular in the US (and thereby a draw) but at the moment he is unknown outside of the die-hard fans. The same honestly goes for Bas, we all want to see him fight but the average UFC fans (who are the ones who pay the bills in the end because there are so many of them) have no idea who either of them are.

    In my opinion the WFA did horribly from a business perspective with this event. They obviously lost a ton of money with this event and probably didn't draw in too many fans other than die-hard fans who would have supported them anyways. In my opinion they are going to need a TV deal to survive in any sort of long run.
  • 08-03-2006, 12:04 PM
    Hypergit
    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin
    Why the hell are they paying Rampage $150,000????

    It's like paying prime streak prices for a hamburger.
    lol! Very eloquent, and echos my sentiments exactly. It seems to me that he feels he is worth a raise (!) and will not be fighting again for WFA for under 150k. He just loves 'cha-ching' and 'cheddar' so much that his attitude alone is worthy of a big pay cut. :banghead:

    git.
  • 08-03-2006, 07:37 AM
    Alvin
    Why the hell are they paying Rampage $150,000????

    Let's get a reality check here. Rampage used to be good & gave exciting fights every now & again, but the fact remains that he beat Arona cos the ref didn't do his job & check if Jackson was out when Arona stopped kicking the back of his head. He recovered & got that great KO slam on one of Prides best fighters. His performances since that has been pretty poor (the Silva 2 fight was only good from a Silva fan point of view).

    Other then that he's been riding on the coat-tails of his win over Chuck Liddle.

    It's like paying prime streak prices for a hamburger.

    As for $200k for Rutten?!?!?.........for an exhibition fight????
    (I don't care what anyone says & I'm not taking anything away from Warpath, but come on, who put money on an upset here?)

    OK, let's be honest & say without these 2 fighters there would be next to zero interest from a lot of mma fans, but for an organization that is trying to be more fighter friendly paying this amout for run-of-the-mill fights is gonna take you under in less than 6 minths. I can't imagine Bill Goldberg came cheap as an announcer either.

    Oh & another thing, if that was all Rampage could do against Lindland, WFA please don't give him more money for a rematch.
  • 08-03-2006, 07:18 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner
    From the way everyone was talking i was expecting way higher purses for the fighters. After looking at that and considerig 90% of the card is well known the pay is comparable to UFC except UFC headliners make more. They did nothing to impress me with their fighter payouts and now i don't see them being a legitimate threat to the UFC ever.

    The 2 highest paid fighters in UFC are Chuck at $250,000 and now that Tito is back he is #2 on the pay list at $200,000. That is also including the win bonus. Hughes is at $110 with the winning bonus and Silva and AA are at around $90,000-$110,000 so Bas and Rampage were payed more than 99% of the UFC's highest payed fighters.

    I see the WFA doing better their next card. What I really think they should do is go afetr Melvin Manhoef, pay the man, he will join and that would be sick, Rampage, Melvin, Lindland (boring as fuck though) and Lyoto as he will be good after he gets rid of the ring rust. That is seemingly the division they are looking to build and Melvin is the best available fighter out there (not sure about his current contract and how much it would cost to breech it but it would be worth it for the WFA).

    But they certainly need to make more pickups or create another super card and it needs to be more stacked next time. They should've seen it coming a mile away that the Rampage vs Lindland fight was going to suck as Lindland is so damn boring to watch.

    Any MMA fan should support the WFA though becasue if they fall off Dana White will allow these ridiculous fight cards like UFC 62! This is going to be the first UFC in 3 years that I do not order, I am so pissed about this card. Griffin vs Bonnar is way too early and Bonnar has not pregressed like Forrest has, this is going to be a one sided fight in Griffin's favor IMO but why not wait another year for this fight when they both have more polished skills?

    My fight cards would've looked something like this:

    Main Event
    Liddell vs Babalu
    Ortiz vs Wuiff (but UFC fucked that up and let him go)

    Vera vs Monson
    Bisping vs Griffin
    Melvin vs Homminick
    Swick vs Quarry (wherever he is)

    The fither payout would've been around $400,00 more but they would've made about $10 million dollars more in PPV's.
  • 08-03-2006, 06:12 AM
    J zingher
    were they paying ricco rodriguez by the pound?
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