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  • 05-30-2006, 11:18 PM
    Alvin
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Boone
    Let's not get hollier than thou now, Silva would not out-draw a Royce return. We're a small percentage of UFC's audience now like it or hate it, and Royce Gracie is a more known name. Vanderlei can't speak english, hasn't fought in USA in a long time, and when he did he was getting demolished by Vitor Belfort and decisioned by Tito Ortiz two fights that maybe 10% of today's UFC audience would remember enough to know who Vanderlei is. In a perfect world they'd spend whatever it takes to book Chuck-Vanderlei, but Royce-Hughes is a more guaranteed thing, and a lot less risky for UFC.
    You keep bringing up casual fans & I still have no idea what you're talking about.

    Are you trying to tell me that people who follow the UFC purely because of the TUF series know who Royce Gracie is?

    Not a chance. Believe me if you know who Royce Gracie is, you know who Wanderlei Silva is.

    Again Dana White won't be able to sell Liddle Vs Silva as much as he could Hughes Vs Gracie?? My gran could sell that fight & she's been dead for 10-years!!

    Champion Vs Champion, it worked for Coleman Vs Smith way back when.

    Seriously, you think Liddle Vs Silva wont sell as well as Hughes Vs Royce, sorry bud, I'm not buying it.
  • 05-30-2006, 02:40 PM
    Rhino_Man
    Interesting note, or at least I think so: UFC.com had aq poll on there site for the Hughes v Gracie fight, when I voted it showed the results and the majority of the votes where Gracie to win a submission. Not sure where these votes came from, amybe casual fans who didn't really know Matt that well or maybe educated fans who know Matt has a habit of giving his back. any opinions

    PS. my vote was Hughes by KO/TKO
  • 05-30-2006, 07:19 AM
    Kass101
    in terms of ppv buys they are more apt to get ppv buys from them because whos going to pay 35 dollars for a ppv except for people who know the sports. causal fans either catch the fight at a bar where you pay nothing or a couple bucks or get together in groups and so the cost is split. not saying hardcore fans dont do that but i know mysleft along with the other people i know who know mma were not very intreagued by this fight. i wanted to see the card for the undercard. and if i saw chuck vs silva i would be much more interested.

    UFN cards are were the casual fan really tunes in because its free. its like boxing. sure a group of people get together to buy a ppv now and then but when does someone just flick on the tv and say cool look at that guy im gonna pay to watch it by myself. not many people i know are gonna do that.
  • 05-30-2006, 07:13 AM
    killerinstinct
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Boone
    Let's not get hollier than thou now, Silva would not out-draw a Royce return. We're a small percentage of UFC's audience now like it or hate it, and Royce Gracie is a more known name. Vanderlei can't speak english, hasn't fought in USA in a long time, and when he did he was getting demolished by Vitor Belfort and decisioned by Tito Ortiz two fights that maybe 10% of today's UFC audience would remember enough to know who Vanderlei is. In a perfect world they'd spend whatever it takes to book Chuck-Vanderlei, but Royce-Hughes is a more guaranteed thing, and a lot less risky for UFC.
    i have to agree with matt the casual ufc fan is more likely to know royce than wanderlei.silva has been fighting over in japan for awile and the casual ufc fans and old fans would have recognized royce's name b4 they recognized silvas name.
  • 05-30-2006, 04:50 AM
    Matt Boone
    Let's not get hollier than thou now, Silva would not out-draw a Royce return. We're a small percentage of UFC's audience now like it or hate it, and Royce Gracie is a more known name. Vanderlei can't speak english, hasn't fought in USA in a long time, and when he did he was getting demolished by Vitor Belfort and decisioned by Tito Ortiz two fights that maybe 10% of today's UFC audience would remember enough to know who Vanderlei is. In a perfect world they'd spend whatever it takes to book Chuck-Vanderlei, but Royce-Hughes is a more guaranteed thing, and a lot less risky for UFC.
  • 05-30-2006, 03:51 AM
    Rhino_Man
    Maybe its worth it to spend that much for Royce if it draws a large crowd. I rather see Silva fight also but I dont want to go back to the days when there was a PPV every 3 months and no fights on TV. Also, I love Silva, he is a great explosive fighter, but I dont see him beating Liddell right now. Liddell seems to have brought it all together.
  • 05-30-2006, 03:35 AM
    jimmyterrell
    I have to agree that Wandy would have been a better buy, simply because that would have drawn the attention of any respectable MMA fan in the world. Royce was figured to be outclassed, which is why few people were that excited for the fight.

    I also agree tht Royce was a good buy. They have the money to pay, they might as well start doing it. If big time fighters from Pride start hearing about that, they might consider letting the UFC bid on them when they become free agents, or try to work out clauses in their next Pride contract so that they can be eligible for these huge superfights. Spending that kind of money could end up working negativley or positivley. Time will tell.
  • 05-30-2006, 02:51 AM
    LA Suxs
    actually the gate sells werent great and not too many ppl of the target audience cared for Royce and many of TUF ppl might not really know him prior to the hype. so they wasted 1.2 mill. Silva could have been more hyped and paid off better.
  • 05-29-2006, 10:39 PM
    Matt Boone
    You and a small group of die-hard fans would prefer Liddell-Silva or Hughes-GSP. They wouldn't sell nearly what Hughes-Gracie did on PPV or at the gate. Business is business, I know people hate considering that side of things when talking about stuff like this, but that's first and foremost on their minds when these type decisions come about. Spend a million on Royce, do tremendous business and clear a ton of profit or spend a million on Vanderlei, have him destroy your champion, the PPV not sell half what Gracie-Hughes probably did, and then he goes off on his merry way to the next big offer.
  • 05-29-2006, 10:32 PM
    Alvin
    Quote Originally Posted by kdude87
    Royce Gracie was believed to be paid 1.3 million vs. hughes, whereas Hughes usually makes in the low 6 digits.
    WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?

    $1.3m!!!!!!!

    What the fuck is Dana playing at. With that kind of money he could have brought in Wanderlei for a one fight special with Liddle. That is obscene if it's true.

    Maybe Dana White & Joe Silva should read forums like these to get ideas for their next shows, because they're wasting their money putting match-ups like this together. I'd rather have seen Hughes Vs GSP than this mickey mouse fight & they would have saved a million bux.
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