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  • 08-18-2006, 12:30 AM
    killerinstinct
    Quote Originally Posted by liddell316
    Has ANY top give fighter ever SOUNDLY beaten another top five fighter?
    Randy Couture absolutely dominated Tito and Randy who were "top 5 fighters"Caol Uno vs. BJ Penn was supposed to be a competitive fight with the winner being the number one contender for the LW title and BJ Penn KOed him in 11 seconds!GSP and Hughes have dominated fighters who were supposed to give them a competitive match up.Crocop was supposed the guy that would beat Wanderlei and although it was technically a draw Wand out struck and beat Crocop without taking much damage with the exception of a few brutal body kicks from Crocop.Dan Henderson KOed Murilo Bustamante in under a minute.Top 5 fighters have dominated other top 5 fighters before in the past.
  • 08-17-2006, 06:27 AM
    liddell316
    Has ANY top give fighter ever SOUNDLY beaten another top five fighter? Tito's a great fighter....and for you guys to crap on him because of the guys he faces is stupid. He didn't decide his fights. What was he supposed to do...refuse to fight Tanner for a title because Tanner usually fights at a lighter weight?
  • 08-17-2006, 06:01 AM
    peaceonelove

    Hey

    Just wanting to say whats up to all you MMA fans out there!
  • 08-10-2006, 01:29 AM
    AJL416AZ
    Quote Originally Posted by dagreat1
    Washed up? Tito??? That's crazy talk, when he fought Randy and Chuck those were his ONLY fights in a 2.5 year time span. That would be difficult for even Fedor to do. Not fight in over a year (Tito was not actively training, he was doign that pro wrestling garbage which requires a different regimine obviously) and then had to face a world class fighter in Randy, then he not fight for another year+ and have to fight another world class fighter in Chuck, ofcourse he lost those fights.

    Sometimes you have to look deeper into the fight to depict the reason behind the loss or at least a MAJOR contribution to it.

    Tito was never overrated, he dominated people and was the most domintant champion UFC had ever seen Untill Chuck and Matt Hughes and of course Hughes takes the crown now. How does that make for an overrated fighter?

    In addition, IMO Tito is in his prime now, He is the perfect age for when MMA fighters really mature and hit their prime, he is training like an animal and creating an empire with all the TUF fighters, I look for ALL of their careers to be on hte rise and they owe that to Tito and his intense training methods. He has dominated his competition in his first 2 returning matches (even though the Griffin fight was close, Tito was very injured and round 1 was dominant, 2 black eyes, bleeding from both and a broken nose and a healthy Tito will be able to keep close that pace for an entire 5 round fight).

    Never thought Tito was overrated, only haters would claim that, he dominated wrestling tourneys, matches lasting 45 minutes. Beat Hughes and Arona and the decision was blown in the Arona match but point is, I don't see how anyone could possibly justify Tito being underated.
    tito does train like an animal. he's sending Team Punishment to good placed, and really giving them a great camp
    as a coach, especially watching him in TUF 3 and seeing Punishment completely dominate at the WFA event, i would say he's one of the best

    but in no way is he not being some dominant champion doesn't mean shit when he fights guys like Evan Tanner, who's a natural MW, and Matyushenko after he loses like 20 pounds of water in a few days, and gasses in the first.
    call me a hater with some bullshit straw man defense, and i really don't care. as a fighter, i don't like him. he's overrated, and cannot beat the top 5. until he soundly beats Arona, Wandy, Chuck, Shogun, or lil Nog in an MMA fight, i will hold to my statement
  • 08-10-2006, 12:08 AM
    CreepingDeth
    Quote Originally Posted by WandAXE
    Vitor was on the decline the whole thing with his fam messed him up. Dont bring up Tito because he was never really that good. Tito was impressive as a young fighter , but all the early success went to his head thats why at the time he fought Randy I thought he was allready washed up.
    The first time they fought was when Vitor was young and was lightning fast, tearing people up. The thing with his sister missing was before the 2nd fight that his glove cut Randys eye. He has 8 losses. 2 he got caught with subs early in his carreer, one was a sub loss to val overeem which is horrible, then he got beat by barnett and ricco, 2 huge hw that where arguably top 5, then the frak cut to vitor, then koed by the guy that many consider the #1 lhw. It is a lot of losses but I think his wins still show that he is a great fighter.
  • 08-09-2006, 10:12 PM
    ArMnHC
    Quote Originally Posted by WandAXE
    I am not quite sure but didnt Randy get beat like 9 times .
    he had a 14-8 record. yeah he lost 8 times, but when it came time for a clutch win, Randy beat the odds and won. you can't help it when a fighter has your number, and it was finally Chuck's time. someone always has your number, it's inevitable. someone will come along and dismantle Chuck in a way that Randy couldn't, it happens. point is, Randy is a legend and is no way over rated! he has more respect thrown his way in MMA then probably any other fighter in history because of his heart and being the class act that he always has been.
  • 08-09-2006, 09:37 PM
    Byrdbrain
    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaShogunRua
    Yes, I think most people know that Penn beat Gomi. Penn also beat Matt Hughes much quicker, does that mean Matt Hughes is "most overrated" too? Like I said, Gomi is 24-3 and has beaten an endless list of top LW. How is he overrated? BTW, I'm not even a fan of Gomi, haven't liked him since the Azeredo incident. I just think he's a great fighter, which he is.
    I didn't see the Gomi/ Azeredo incident... what was the deal?
  • 08-09-2006, 07:59 PM
    killerinstinct
    Quote Originally Posted by dagreat1
    Washed up? Tito??? That's crazy talk, when he fought Randy and Chuck those were his ONLY fights in a 2.5 year time span. That would be difficult for even Fedor to do. Not fight in over a year (Tito was not actively training, he was doign that pro wrestling garbage which requires a different regimine obviously) and then had to face a world class fighter in Randy, then he not fight for another year+ and have to fight another world class fighter in Chuck, ofcourse he lost those fights.

    Sometimes you have to look deeper into the fight to depict the reason behind the loss or at least a MAJOR contribution to it.

    Tito was never overrated, he dominated people and was the most domintant champion UFC had ever seen Untill Chuck and Matt Hughes and of course Hughes takes the crown now. How does that make for an overrated fighter?

    In addition, IMO Tito is in his prime now, He is the perfect age for when MMA fighters really mature and hit their prime, he is training like an animal and creating an empire with all the TUF fighters, I look for ALL of their careers to be on hte rise and they owe that to Tito and his intense training methods. He has dominated his competition in his first 2 returning matches (even though the Griffin fight was close, Tito was very injured and round 1 was dominant, 2 black eyes, bleeding from both and a broken nose and a healthy Tito will be able to keep close that pace for an entire 5 round fight).

    Never thought Tito was overrated, only haters would claim that, he dominated wrestling tourneys, matches lasting 45 minutes. Beat Hughes and Arona and the decision was blown in the Arona match but point is, I don't see how anyone could possibly justify Tito being underated.
    Tito wasn't washed up than just highly over rated and Randy exposed that.Couture was his first real challenge since Frank.Him losing to Chuck and Randy had nothing do to with how much time off he took ,but more to do with the fact that Chuck and Randy have more skill as fighters than him.

    Tito was only the most dominant champ ,b/c Dana White was his manager and he was having title defenses against guys like Elvis Sinocic.

    He hasn't dominated anyone since UFC 40 and that was just a washed up old man.WTF do you mean Tito has dominated his last 2 opponents?A quick stoppage and a split descion(he should've lost)is not dominating.
  • 08-09-2006, 07:09 PM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by WandAXE
    Vitor was on the decline the whole thing with his fam messed him up. Dont bring up Tito because he was never really that good. Tito was impressive as a young fighter , but all the early success went to his head thats why at the time he fought Randy I thought he was allready washed up.

    Washed up? Tito??? That's crazy talk, when he fought Randy and Chuck those were his ONLY fights in a 2.5 year time span. That would be difficult for even Fedor to do. Not fight in over a year (Tito was not actively training, he was doign that pro wrestling garbage which requires a different regimine obviously) and then had to face a world class fighter in Randy, then he not fight for another year+ and have to fight another world class fighter in Chuck, ofcourse he lost those fights.

    Sometimes you have to look deeper into the fight to depict the reason behind the loss or at least a MAJOR contribution to it.

    Tito was never overrated, he dominated people and was the most domintant champion UFC had ever seen Untill Chuck and Matt Hughes and of course Hughes takes the crown now. How does that make for an overrated fighter?

    In addition, IMO Tito is in his prime now, He is the perfect age for when MMA fighters really mature and hit their prime, he is training like an animal and creating an empire with all the TUF fighters, I look for ALL of their careers to be on hte rise and they owe that to Tito and his intense training methods. He has dominated his competition in his first 2 returning matches (even though the Griffin fight was close, Tito was very injured and round 1 was dominant, 2 black eyes, bleeding from both and a broken nose and a healthy Tito will be able to keep close that pace for an entire 5 round fight).

    Never thought Tito was overrated, only haters would claim that, he dominated wrestling tourneys, matches lasting 45 minutes. Beat Hughes and Arona and the decision was blown in the Arona match but point is, I don't see how anyone could possibly justify Tito being underated.
  • 08-09-2006, 06:26 PM
    steelebone
    MMAPIMP has got to be retarded! Everytime he types something in it gets stupider and stupider. Get him a drool cup and a seat on the short bus
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