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  • 08-30-2006, 07:10 PM
    kickass32
    Quote Originally Posted by binimac
    put him and wandy together and they will decide, its the only way
    Agreed.
  • 08-30-2006, 05:18 PM
    binimac
    put him and wandy together and they will decide, its the only way
  • 08-30-2006, 05:16 PM
    kickass32
    I am in no way dismissing the Pride LHW division....I know there are great fighters there, idid say he is argueably the best striker in the LHW division.

    IMO he is, but I can see the case made for others....it's all opinion and guesswork at this point, 'cause they haven't fought yet.

    But what isn't guesswork is he has beaten everyone put in front of him except for Ramapage, and, again it's opinion, but I feel, as do many others, that Chuck would surely avenge that loss.
  • 08-30-2006, 09:17 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by kickass32
    Yes I am mostly talking about about the UFC, and when I say Ability, I'm not talking about fighting ability, more so speed/power/footwork combo.
    Yes, I understand Silva, Shogun etc. all have good striking ability, but IMO, Chuck has the best striking in the LHW division (in the UFC...hands down...in all MMA..debateable, but I still feel he is the best at that aspect)
    Mostly? Damn bro, pride has an army of LHW's, not just Silva and Shogun, etc... That etc. consists of Arona, Little Nog, Overeem, Igor, Nakamura and Randleman and those fighters are all a threat to Chuck. IMO Arona and Little Nog would defeat him and the other 4 would all have a good chance to defeat him (I know he already defeated Overeem and randleman but he nearly lost to Overeem and Randleman is very dangerous as he KO'ed Cro Cop and hits harder than Chuck and Silva according to Rampage as Rampage has fought all 3).

    Chuck is certainly a world class fighter and world ranked LHW but you must not dissmiss Pride's LHW division, it is the most stacked of any division in any organization in MMA and have 8 fighters that would all give Chuck a difficult fight whereas no one in UFC is able to do that right now and we will unfortunately be looking at a forrest vs Chcuk fight fairly soon as UFC keeps bringing up Chuk's name in the octagon interview following Forrest's fights.

    It will result in another quick KO and us sayign what we are saying now... "when is Chuck going to fight a great-world class striker"?
  • 08-30-2006, 08:36 AM
    kickass32
    Yes I am mostly talking about about the UFC, and when I say Ability, I'm not talking about fighting ability, more so speed/power/footwork combo.
    Yes, I understand Silva, Shogun etc. all have good striking ability, but IMO, Chuck has the best striking in the LHW division (in the UFC...hands down...in all MMA..debateable, but I still feel he is the best at that aspect)
  • 08-30-2006, 08:24 AM
    ThaiRoundhouse
    Quote Originally Posted by kickass32
    Thats because there is no one in the LHW division that can match Liddell's power, or ability.

    Seriously, what the fuck does he have to do to get the respect he deserves?? He's fought, and beaten great wrestlers, BJJ experts and some good strikers....he's beaten everyone who's ever been put in front of him, save 1, and that loss would be avenged given the opportunity.
    Babalu is one of the more well-rounded fighters, and he got his ass fed to him.
    Love him, hate him, or indifferent...you have to give Chuck his dues, no matter who they put in front of him, he puts them to sleep.
    POWER and ABILITY?!?!? dude, please, I hope you mean UFC LHW division? If you mean all LHW divisions, you are crazy.
  • 08-30-2006, 08:14 AM
    kickass32
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    Chuck has not fought any strikers that match his ability as a striker or even come close to it,
    Thats because there is no one in the LHW division that can match Liddell's power, or ability.

    Seriously, what the fuck does he have to do to get the respect he deserves?? He's fought, and beaten great wrestlers, BJJ experts and some good strikers....he's beaten everyone who's ever been put in front of him, save 1, and that loss would be avenged given the opportunity.
    Babalu is one of the more well-rounded fighters, and he got his ass fed to him.
    Love him, hate him, or indifferent...you have to give Chuck his dues, no matter who they put in front of him, he puts them to sleep.
  • 08-30-2006, 07:49 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP
    u say i have no valid points but yet you dont talk about how guy meztger is a phenomenall kick boxer and wrestler you just ignore that and use tito and randy and say they have decent stand up.. you say im ignorent but your the one sitting here telling me chuck hasnt fought any real strikers with good wrestling or bjj and and i metion 3 and now a black belt in bjj doesnt mean anything and babalu a guy with very high regarded bjj wrestling and stand up is all of the sudden just decent right? wrong!! u say randy and tito werent using there world class gifts when they fought him.. wel no shit.. the point of a fight is to make someone fight your fight to use there weak points and your strong ones..id say thats the perfect gameplan and it seems to be working for him...

    also you still talk about how chuck could have lost those 2 wins in pride because he was rocked... fuck ive seen so many fights were people almost loose and come back for the victory and people call it heart and perseverance but when its chuck its just luck... and yeah rampage handed chuck his biggest loss.. soo fuckin wat...if they fought again chuck would destroy him!!

    you call me ignorent but your sitting here saying the only reason chuck wins is becuz he makes people strike with him...ummm its called a great gameplan and excicuting it!!! thats wat matt hughes does and randy couture and everyother fighter but when its chuck useing his gamplan its a bad thing...ok
    For sure man, you are not ignorant, it's all based on opinion so that is not ignorance... mezger is a great striker, I took nothing away from him, I gave him full credit and my point is that Chuck fought 3 well rounded fighters in Pride and was tested in all 3 fights whereas Chuck in UFC runs right through wrestlers and grapplers that don't have great standup (I will not call them 1 dimensional), evidence... Horn, Sobral, Tito and Couture (phenomenal GNP but his standup is certainly not great) and Chuck ran through them.

    That is relevant evidence that Chuck is not this dominant figure against strikers like he is against wrestlers and grapplers, Chuck is a wrester and grapplers' kryptonite if the wrestler and grappler are not excellent strikers.

    He is still a top 5 LHW in the world and a fight vs Silva, Shogun, Arona or Little Nog could go either way. I would say Silva would have the highest percentage of winning the fight and I would put it at a 65%-35% and I would put the other 3 fights at a 50%-50%.

    Chuck due to his status is still the #2 ranked LHW but I would not say that he would clearly beat Shogun, Arona or Little Nog as those would all be a toss-up.
  • 08-30-2006, 07:37 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by ThaiRoundhouse
    ?????????????? A striker KOing all non-strikers is an accomplishment???????

    what the hell are you talking about? what else would you even espect him to do? you're going to have to do better than that to defend the#1 spot on the mma rankings of the protected by the UFC fighter.
    That guy is the newest addition to the troll camp, he is seemingly the reigning champion. Try not to waste much time with him, his responses don't get anymore relevant or sound any less assinine.
  • 08-30-2006, 06:58 AM
    ThaiRoundhouse
    Quote Originally Posted by Donny77
    B/C he has been dominant ever since his loss to Rampage. IT's an accomplishment to KO Randy Twice, make Horn say he don't want no more, and Ko Renato twice. Chucky deserves his props. Atleast he defends his title, adn doesn't fight 165 pounders.
    ?????????????? A striker KOing all non-strikers is an accomplishment???????

    what the hell are you talking about? what else would you even espect him to do? you're going to have to do better than that to defend the#1 spot on the mma rankings of the protected by the UFC fighter.
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