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  • 10-17-2006, 08:06 PM
    BigBanda
    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme
    Chuck hasnt faced a good striker for years.
    I guess depends on what you consider a good sriker but either way it doesnt neccessarily mean that Chuck cant bang with a good striker. Counter striking is his bread and butter. Sucks that it isnt even Chucks fault as he has stated others he wants to fight outside of UFC. Dana needs to work something out to bring in some competition cause after Tito then who the hell else is he going to fight unless he goes and fights some HW's.
  • 10-17-2006, 08:29 AM
    Supreme
    Chuck hasnt faced a good striker for years.
  • 10-17-2006, 08:17 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by Donny77
    Chuck's last5- Tito,Randy,Horn,Randy 2, and now Babalu.
    Plus he KOed all them..
    Wandy could have easily lost a second fight to Arona, could have easily lost one of the two fights with yoshi..
    Not saying Wandy isnt a warrior but I think he #2.
    Wrestler, wrestler, grappler, wrestler, grappler.... See a trend???

    Fighter math again?? Please man, it doesn't work like that. Silva has fought world class strikers, wrestrlers and grapplers and fucked them all up.

    Chuck is great but he hasn't fought any strikers in a long time. I know you will say Vitor becasue you used his name in another thread like this which tells me you have seen a Vitor highlight reel and not any full Vitor fights other than maybe the 1 6-8 years ago when he TKOed Wand. 6-8 years later and a product of the Chute Box Acadamy (the same camp that just produced that no name guy Anderson Silva who just rearranged Franklins nose).

    You are only as good as your surroundings and Wand is surrounded by greatness, he trains with Shogun, Pele, Ninja and now Cyborg.

    What will really keep Wand ontop of his game is hte constant training with Shogun, it will keep both of them at the top of the food chain for a very long time.
  • 10-17-2006, 08:07 AM
    Supreme
    Shogun should be #1. He has faced harder competition than anybody.
  • 09-16-2006, 05:56 AM
    Mastiff_owner
    Yeah but you gotta admit that there were a lot of people on Wandy's sac right from the get go. I had Fujita as well. Glad I didn't bet anything on this GP. I would have lost a ton. but like I said not you because you have corrected mo on that but there were alot of people picking Wandy. And it wasn't till after crocop that EVERYONE starting talking about the disadvantages. I picked Mirko but thought they were pretty evenly matched. Can you get the fighter specifics height, weight, reach for wandy adn Mirko for the fight? I will check it out tomorrow. It is time for me to go home. (i'm at work)
  • 09-16-2006, 05:46 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner
    I am by no means trying to take anything away from what he accomplished. He has a ton of heart and fought a good fight. he deserves all the credit in the world.

    BUT, noone was saying anything like this when he won his fights in the opening rounds of the GP when he beat Fujita. All the disadvatages came out after he lost. He was a lot of peoples favorite to win the whole thing. (I actually picked big nog) I think Wandy is a top 3LHW. I flip flop between him and Chuck depending on what I watch that day or week. I think If Mirko dropped to LHW he automatically becomes #1 in the world. He is by all measures a small HW.
    He was at a BIG disadvantage against Fujita IMO!

    I picked Fujita to beat him! and was proven wrong. Fujita's chin, wrestling, and size I felt put Silva and a major disadvantage and he did the unthinkable in my book and TKO'd Fujita.
  • 09-16-2006, 05:44 AM
    Mastiff_owner
    I am by no means trying to take anything away from what he accomplished. He has a ton of heart and fought a good fight. he deserves all the credit in the world.

    BUT, noone was saying anything like this when he won his fights in the opening rounds of the GP when he beat Fujita. All the disadvatages came out after he lost. He was a lot of peoples favorite to win the whole thing. (I actually picked big nog) I think Wandy is a top 3LHW. I flip flop between him and Chuck depending on what I watch that day or week. I think If Mirko dropped to LHW he automatically becomes #1 in the world. He is by all measures a small HW.
  • 09-16-2006, 05:28 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastiff_owner
    I agree that the reasoning is a bunch of crap but it does eliminate teh fact that wandy can't be ko'd as some of his supporters thought. I personally think that both Wandy and Crocop probably have a very similar walk around weight. So to me the disadvantage of him being a natural HW or LHW doesn't work for me either. Especially since Wandy weighed more than Mirko for the fight. I think Mirko could drop to LHW with relative ease. Chuck and Mirko are completely different fighters so the "Mirko won so Chuck will to" analogy doesn't work for me either. That being said if Wandy uses the same strategy Chuck has a real good chance of winning the fight. If wandy is controlled and gets Chuck in the clinch Wandy has a real good chance of winning. Either way its a fight i want to see.
    its a huuuuuge difference when you fight at HW all your career as compared to fighting at LHW, theres a MAJOR difference in the adjustments and comfortability. Either way, Reach advantage = Cro-cop, Striking advantage = Cro-cop, Power = Cro-cop and yet Wandy still displayed heart in what was an ass whooping, he took a 5 minute beating and then a High kick to the temple that woulda KO'd anyone.. the guy was fighting with one eye he deserves some credit, how many LHWs have actually gone to a draw with Wandy? and how many have lasted that long before getting KO'd? matter of fact.. Wandy outlasted a lot of HWs in the ring with Cro-cop.

    Cro-cop isnt who he has to compete with cuz Cro-cop is a HW and Wandy is a LHW

    this reminds me of when RJJ moved up to fight Ruiz, Ruiz aint a good boxer but RJJ didnt make him look like a can like he did everyone else he would of if he were a natural HW or if Ruiz was a LHW.. theres adjustments you gotta make you cant walk into someones weight class and be the same fighter.

    AND IM NOT MAKING EXCUSES, just laying out my facts and opinions WANDY GOT DOMINATED NO EXCUSES ON THAT but give credit where credit is due he showed a lot of heart, he walked into someone elses weight class, and he did his best.. ya win some ya lose some.
  • 09-16-2006, 05:25 AM
    Mastiff_owner
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    its not an excuse, its a fact.. Silva is at a major disadvantage against Cro-cop being that he is a natural LHW and is not in Cro-cops league as a striker this "well Cro-cop beat him so Chuck will" crap is much lamer, and absolutely ridiculous.
    I agree that the reasoning is a bunch of crap but it does eliminate teh fact that wandy can't be ko'd as some of his supporters thought. I personally think that both Wandy and Crocop probably have a very similar walk around weight. So to me the disadvantage of him being a natural HW or LHW doesn't work for me either. Especially since Wandy weighed more than Mirko for the fight. I think Mirko could drop to LHW with relative ease. Chuck and Mirko are completely different fighters so the "Mirko won so Chuck will to" analogy doesn't work for me either. That being said if Wandy uses the same strategy Chuck has a real good chance of winning the fight. If wandy is controlled and gets Chuck in the clinch Wandy has a real good chance of winning. Either way its a fight i want to see.
  • 09-16-2006, 05:10 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Gyruss
    Thats the spin I was talking about. Saying he wasn't "supposed to win" is absurd and a lame excuse. The exposing part has to do do with how Mirko was picking him apart before the leg kick. The weight had nothing to do with his loss. Mirko simply had superior striking followed by another one of his fight ending leg kicks. The End.
    its not an excuse, its a fact.. Silva is at a major disadvantage against Cro-cop being that he is a natural LHW and is not in Cro-cops league as a striker this "well Cro-cop beat him so Chuck will" crap is much lamer, and absolutely ridiculous.
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