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  • 09-18-2006, 08:14 PM
    chungt79
    Josh Barnett will take part in the upcoming Pride event in Vegas in October.

    This will directly go against Dana's claim that Silva won't be allowed to fight in November.

    If you recall, Josh was a compelete mess at the end of owgp.
  • 09-18-2006, 06:15 PM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by juliodenero
    Fair enough, maybe I am underestimating the average man......yet there you are discounting Chuck for not being exposed to MMA skills to the level of Silva, you use Rampage as an example, why not use Ortiz? Beat Silva but not Chuck.
    Well because u dont use loses that happened while u were comin up as a fighter u use loses that happened in ur prime.

    you dont ever hear people sayin "Bernard Hopkins lost to Clinton Mitchell therefore he cannot beat Antonio Tarver"

    but usin the Jermain Taylor fights would be fair play.
  • 09-18-2006, 05:56 PM
    chungt79
    Quote Originally Posted by juliodenero
    Fair enough, maybe I am underestimating the average man......yet there you are discounting Chuck for not being exposed to MMA skills to the level of Silva, you use Rampage as an example, why not use Ortiz? Beat Silva but not Chuck.
    Competition at Pride is just better and I refuse to give any support for my statement. Just tired of repeating things, thas all
  • 09-18-2006, 05:39 PM
    juliodenero
    Quote Originally Posted by harlemhustla145
    That's bullshit, the average man is not stupid. If people know the Wand lost to a HW and he came up in weight for that fight but he is the MW champion of the world, nobody will knock him.

    A lot of people are counting Wand out because he lost to a HW. If fighting a bigger weight class was not a disadvantage then why the hell even have weight classes?

    Dana White clearely is trying to protect Chuck. Why the hell would he even entertain a match between Chuck and Shamrock? Thats got to be the biggest miss match I ever heared of. He claims Wand doesn't deserve a title shot but Shamrock does? He was dominated twice, the sec time an early stoppage but it was clear what was going to happen. The man is in his mid 40s for gods sake what the hell is this a Circus? Everybody knows that Tito isn't going to beat Chuck either. He just doesn't have what it takes. But when you talk about a man that was on a winning streak for 4 years, has never ducked anybody, has beaten some of the best fighters in MMA with MMA skills Chuck has never even been exposed too and when he had a little glimse, he was beaten to death in the middle of the ring (Rampage) but he still got his title shot .

    Wand losing was the best thing that could ever happen to Dana White. He obviously is making excuses, instead of saying that he's going to try to put the fight together as soon as possible as long as both fighters are healthy. All he can say is the MW champion of the world doesn't deserve a title shot? WHEN HE HASN'T LOST HIS FUCKING TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . this just pisses me the fuck off.

    Fair enough, maybe I am underestimating the average man......yet there you are discounting Chuck for not being exposed to MMA skills to the level of Silva, you use Rampage as an example, why not use Ortiz? Beat Silva but not Chuck.
  • 09-18-2006, 04:57 PM
    drunksincerity
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    ya because it makes so much sense to come on a Radio show and just out of no where say "well guys to be honest I have no idea who Fedor really is" yup its comments like those that put UFC on the map!
    Yeah but by him coming out and saying he doesnt know who Fedor is, he comes off as showing he doesnt even care about whats going on in Pride.

    Therefore, inputting it into peoples minds that Pride isnt worth watching. We all know it's bullshit, hell I remember Dana saying something about how Sylvia wanted to fight Fedor. You don't think he at minimum looked at some tapes before saying yay/nay to the fight?
  • 09-18-2006, 01:26 AM
    Howie
    that is true and makes complete sense
  • 09-17-2006, 11:28 PM
    fighterforjc
    Quote Originally Posted by liddell316
    Pride will never eat UFC alive. Most people can tell you when the next UFC is coming up whether they are MMA fans or not....I haven't seen any promotion for the Pride event other then on their PPV's (and a hundred commercials for Wanderlei Silva's special, lol.) But it'll be a while before Pride gets an established following the size of UFC's in America.
    Well yeah because UFC is based in the U.S.! Which is why once Pride gets established in the U.S., people would much rather see the elite fighters in a ring instead of a cage where it's really all about the fence. Pride has the most dedicated athletes in mma while UFC consist of dozens of spoiled rich boys who took MMA so they can be the baddest in their high schools and get all the ladies, and only because they're the only ones who can afford to pay the ridiculous gym fees! UFC fighters lack heart. UFC fighters are all about trash talking and using the fence. MMA is still a sport, it's not a no-holds-barred ordeal, and UFC rules make it easier for lousy fighters to win if they can perfect hone their "skill" of trapping their opponents against the fence.
  • 09-17-2006, 05:00 PM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by chungt79
    Your love for UFC seems to cloud your ability to have an objective opinion.

    I for one will tell you Chuck will get killed by Cro Cop and that would not make Chuck any less of a fighter at LHW.
    And it seems that people wanna put Wandy down for losing to Cro-cop but there already backing Chuck if he woulda lost to him?

    People go look up some Cro-cop fights and ask yourself would Chuck or even Wandy really have a chance at this guy being that they are natural LHWs vs HWs and if you think moving up in weight solves that problem think again it is very had to put on 20 lbs and fight at that weight, if you dont believe me try it yourself
  • 09-17-2006, 04:18 PM
    Raiders18
    Quote Originally Posted by harlemhustla145
    That's bullshit, the average man is not stupid. If people know the Wand lost to a HW and he came up in weight for that fight but he is the MW champion of the world, nobody will knock him.

    A lot of people are counting Wand out because he lost to a HW. If fighting a bigger weight class was not a disadvantage then why the hell even have weight classes?

    Dana White clearely is trying to protect Chuck. Why the hell would he even entertain a match between Chuck and Shamrock? Thats got to be the biggest miss match I ever heared of. He claims Wand doesn't deserve a title shot but Shamrock does? He was dominated twice, the sec time an early stoppage but it was clear what was going to happen. The man is in his mid 40s for gods sake what the hell is this a Circus? Everybody knows that Tito isn't going to beat Chuck either. He just doesn't have what it takes. But when you talk about a man that was on a winning streak for 4 years, has never ducked anybody, has beaten some of the best fighters in MMA with MMA skills Chuck has never even been exposed too and when he had a little glimse, he was beaten to death in the middle of the ring (Rampage) but he still got his title shot .

    Wand losing was the best thing that could ever happen to Dana White. He obviously is making excuses, instead of saying that he's going to try to put the fight together as soon as possible as long as both fighters are healthy. All he can say is the MW champion of the world doesn't deserve a title shot? WHEN HE HASN'T LOST HIS FUCKING TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . this just pisses me the fuck off.
    Great Post
  • 09-17-2006, 01:58 PM
    Punk Ass
    Quote Originally Posted by kronous76
    Cus if Chuck lost to Crocop u guys would just jump up and say "oh shit chuck sucks...his career is over...he can't fight...blah blah blah"
    I would expect Chuck to lose to Cro Cop. That doesn;t mean he's not still the 2nd best LHW if that. It does not take anything away from a man who loses to a guy in a bigger weight class. This is the same thing im saying as far as Wand goes. Just because he lost to a HW doesn't mean anything. He's still the best LHW in the world!!!!!!
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