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  • 09-25-2006, 06:59 PM
    billwilliams70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ubermensch
    It was rumered after the fight by alot of people but I didn't post it because it was conjecture. Like that guy saying GSP had a groin injury before it was public. And another thing Hurt ribs suck it totaly screws your form um you always have to hunch and keep your arms low you cant breath. It just plain sucks you fight with them. I got kicked so hard once I just couldnt breath anymore and that was just brused ribs let alone seperated.
    Ahhh......thanks for clearing that up. I know that rib injuries hurt, and he was gutsy to suck it up and continue.

    Later.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:54 PM
    The Ironman

    Great fight!

    I totally thought Bj dominated matt untill the 3rd round, it seems to make sense though, Ive never seen some get gassed that bad...he couldnt even keep his hands up or move his head from matt tee'n off on him. It really made for a great comeback on matts behalf after loosing the 1st rounds.... Woo hoo!..
  • 09-25-2006, 06:45 PM
    Ubermensch
    Quote Originally Posted by raiderbill70
    So, without Penn's injury, do you still think that his pre-fight training (or lack thereof), that the outcome would have been any different? Penn didn't train seriously for the fight.....bottom line. Sure, Matt was having a tough go, but Penn got tired, injury or not. I'm not saying that Penn's giving excuses, but why did he wait until he got back home before anyone found out about the ribs?

    Later.
    It was rumered after the fight by alot of people but I didn't post it because it was conjecture. Like that guy saying GSP had a groin injury before it was public. And another thing Hurt ribs suck it totaly screws your form um you always have to hunch and keep your arms low you cant breath. It just plain sucks you fight with them. I got kicked so hard once I just couldnt breath anymore and that was just brused ribs let alone seperated.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:39 PM
    billwilliams70
    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Samurai
    he deserves credit! but doesnt mean we should ignore what really happened!

    it wasnt until Penn got injured that Hughes startin beatin him, Penn wasnt at 100% in the 3rd round its not an excuse its just a fact. But it doesnt take anything away from Hughes but still Hughes didnt prove to be the more talented fighter in the match, he proved to be more well-conditioned

    facts still remain that Penn is the better striker, better JJ fighter, overall better on the ground, and still the ultimate mismatch for Hughes, Penn is just amazing in every category, he just needs better conditioning.. and he proved that hes a better fighter then Hughes in the first 2 rounds.. Hughes CANNOT take down a 100% BJ Penn he would have to wear him out to take him down thats been proven in both fights now, he cannot outstrike him, he definently cannot submit him, its the ultimate goal for Matt Hughes to take down BJ Penn and GnP when Penn is 100% but Matt still did a good job and won the fight FAIR AND SQUARE because Matt survived the first two rounds and took advantage of a hurt Penn, and got him in a situation where Penn couldnt get out of and finished the fight YOU GOTTA GIVE MATT HUGHES CREDIT, but honestly not much has changed.
    So, without Penn's injury, do you still think that his pre-fight training (or lack thereof), that the outcome would have been any different? Penn didn't train seriously for the fight.....bottom line. Sure, Matt was having a tough go, but Penn got tired, injury or not. I'm not saying that Penn's giving excuses, but why did he wait until he got back home before anyone found out about the ribs?

    Later.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:30 PM
    tapper
    if penn was so badly hurt in the 2nd rd, he couldn't defend himself couldn't throw punches could barely breathe, wtf was he thinking, that he could still beat matt freakin hughes. fighters all the time recognize when they cant compete and do the smart thing and surrender horn/lidell,gracie/kimo, it does happen, its not like he came in hurt and gave it his best, matt injured and then finished him.
    next fight same result.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:20 PM
    TapOut27
    Like ken shamrock said during TUF 3, if you bust of your ribs bad, you can't breathe, and barely move.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:16 PM
    tapper
    Quote Originally Posted by Kewl144
    to be fair, A.A and Tim went three more rounds of nothing. It was one of the most boring fights ever.
    im just saying he still went 3 rounds with the hw champ, did'nt tap or get ko, there is a diff.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:08 PM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by raiderbill70
    This does make a lot of sense as the poster attested, but I want to point out the very last sentance, if BJ Penn can give Matt credit for the win, they why can't everyone here?

    Later.
    he deserves credit! but doesnt mean we should ignore what really happened!

    it wasnt until Penn got injured that Hughes startin beatin him, Penn wasnt at 100% in the 3rd round its not an excuse its just a fact. But it doesnt take anything away from Hughes but still Hughes didnt prove to be the more talented fighter in the match, he proved to be more well-conditioned

    facts still remain that Penn is the better striker, better JJ fighter, overall better on the ground, and still the ultimate mismatch for Hughes, Penn is just amazing in every category, he just needs better conditioning.. and he proved that hes a better fighter then Hughes in the first 2 rounds.. Hughes CANNOT take down a 100% BJ Penn he would have to wear him out to take him down thats been proven in both fights now, he cannot outstrike him, he definently cannot submit him, its the ultimate goal for Matt Hughes to take down BJ Penn and GnP when Penn is 100% but Matt still did a good job and won the fight FAIR AND SQUARE because Matt survived the first two rounds and took advantage of a hurt Penn, and got him in a situation where Penn couldnt get out of and finished the fight YOU GOTTA GIVE MATT HUGHES CREDIT, but honestly not much has changed.
  • 09-25-2006, 06:07 PM
    The MMA Guys
    Great post.......Thanks
  • 09-25-2006, 06:04 PM
    billwilliams70
    Quote Originally Posted by alahyousious
    Interviewer:
    What about round 3?

    BJ:
    I remember standing up out of the corner in pain. But I was thinking, "Earn your title this is what you have to do to get your belt back, fight through the pain". I knew the oppurtunity I had with getting this fight, especially after losing my last fight. I wasn't going to quit on the corner. I kept going because I honestly believed it was destiny. When me and Matt were boxing I felt like I couldn't breathe and had no mobility in my core. But I kept thinking something good is going to happen. When Matt started dominating the stand up I tried for a takedown. I had nothing and pulled to guard. I felt like I couldn't do anything on the ground. But I was still positive. Matt hit me in the ribs from half guard. The pain was so excruciating I had to use my far hand to block it. I would rather Matt pass my guard and punch my face the hit my ribs. When Matt was in his favorite position that he likes. I was still thinking I was going to win somehow. Big John gave me plenty of time. I practiced defending against that position with flexibility, but I had none with my core. Even when Big John stopped the fight, I was still so positive I thought I escaped. Congratulations to Matt, he is a great fighter. It's not his fault that that happened, he fought like the champion he is. He deserved the victory.
    This does make a lot of sense as the poster attested, but I want to point out the very last sentance, if BJ Penn can give Matt credit for the win, they why can't everyone here?

    Later.
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