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  • 01-12-2008, 10:37 AM
    Kansas
    What a ride this thread is to read. A lot of people really have their egos tied into these boards. Thats pretty pathetic really. Even worse when it is MMA fan elitism.

    "I AM a hardcore fan!"

    "Nuh-uh! You said Joe Blow sucks....that means you suck-F@##% Newbie!"

    What a crock. I can't believe it.

    As for the actual discussion, Pride fighters are as great as the resources they had available to them. So are UFC fighters. The rules and the changes all do have effects. I saw that in the Silva Liddell fight when Wanderlei watched chuck sit on his knees and rather than charging forward to pummel him he stayed put trying to discipline himself for UFC rules which prohibit every idea that was crossing through his mind.

    I think the biggest difference between the guys from these two orgs is the science that goes into training them. The US has the best schooling in the world for athletic trainers. Therefore UFC guys are cutting weight better which means they are often considerably heavier than the Pride guys. Teh high school and college wrestling in the United States also heavily lends itself to this. This stuff all makes a difference.

    As the guys from other orgs start getting their training up to the same level as the UFC the results will balance out. It makes total sense for the UFC to win more of the initial contests. It doesn't really speak much to the organizations themselves. They were both on the level. They both have variances that make them hard to argue. The NH has got to stop. So does the "BS elite MMA Fan" crap. So you are king of an MMA blog. SFW.
  • 01-07-2008, 09:36 PM
    kickbox
    Quote Originally Posted by kickbox View Post
    remember ufc guys came over to pride and got their arses kicked as well....maybe or possibly its the change in arena and atmosphere...it could also be their rules.Id say Liddell and wand can beat each other in their respective arena.
    yes I know ... only I would be dumb enough to quote myself.... Fedor is the exception becuase his overall skill and strategic technique.
  • 01-07-2008, 09:34 PM
    kickbox
    Quote Originally Posted by MMAhole View Post
    Some of those crazy assholes actually had me wondering if PRIDE had the premier fighters after all. They were so sure that they would bet their life on it.

    My theory is that part of the reason PRIDE appeared to be so much better is because of the rules and the ora that PRIDE has as, basically being Vale Tudo with tiny gloves (with a few exceptions). Shit yeah it was fun to watch some of the bigger stars beat up on small Japanese guys, but comparing PRIDE to UFC was like comparing apples to oranges. The fights were admittedly more exciting on average than UFC, at least in PRIDE's last half (5 yrs).

    Now that the majority of PRIDE fighters are coming into the UFC and stinking up the joint, you know that unfamiliarity with the cage and the UFC in general has SOMETHING to do with it. But that cannot be everything. PRIDE fighters are generally overrated. Put that back in a ring with less rules (except the elbows) and judge the fights on finishing the fight and not a point system like boxing, give yellow cards, they would be beating the fuck out of eachother.

    R.I.P. PRIDE and it's rules. US sanctioning bodies will never allow what we really want to see.

    remember ufc guys came over to pride and got their arses kicked as well....maybe or possibly its the change in arena and atmosphere...it could also be their rules.Id say Liddell and wand can beat each other in their respective arena.
  • 01-06-2008, 06:05 AM
    Righthook
    i loved pride so much i hate it came to an end
  • 01-05-2008, 10:40 PM
    the dazzle
    the only reason i liked Pride as an org. is because of the fighters and the rules they had. not to mention i prefer the the ring over the cage. all of the Pride guys coming over to the UFC will be good in due time. say what you want but it is a whole different scenario fighting in a ring and then coming in and fighting in a cage. they will need some time to adjust to the new rules and new octagon. WAR SHOGUN, WAND, and CRO COP.
  • 01-02-2008, 03:03 AM
    Steel
    Quote Originally Posted by Palma View Post
    Yes, but Sylvia looked great in his last two fights where he got his ass handed to him and then stalled on Vera for 3 rounds...

    I'm so glad they made this section so we are not subjected to this shit anymore on the main boards...

    MMA ignorance at it's finest.
    Palma, we're watching this area very closely now and are making a serious effort to help develop new members and weed out the obvious trolls very early on. The new report a post feature allows you guys to let us know if we miss something. I think as a community we do a pretty good job of keeping everything in check.
  • 01-01-2008, 11:19 PM
    Palma
    Quote Originally Posted by Trustym2 View Post
    poor poor pride people. Only one person has done well so far and that's Rampage. People may say Nog is still there, but he looked terrible against Herring and shouldn't be fighting for the title in my opinion.
    Yes, but Sylvia looked great in his last two fights where he got his ass handed to him and then stalled on Vera for 3 rounds...

    I'm so glad they made this section so we are not subjected to this shit anymore on the main boards...

    MMA ignorance at it's finest.
  • 01-01-2008, 03:55 PM
    matto
    Quote Originally Posted by rivethead View Post
    Somethings should stay at Sherdog.



    I thought this forum outgrew that "PRIDE is better than UFC is better than PRIDE is better than..." bullshit months ago.



    Yeah, that Anderson Silva guy sucks, doesn't he?

    rh

    i wasnt ever into the pride>ufc or the other way around, i just wanted to see dream fights. dont think that i put this to bash pride fans, im a pride fans, i just always though that this was funny and entertaining. its just funny to see the ufc bashers-pride nutthuggers get a big blow like this, because it there were way more ufc sucks-pride>ufc then the other way around, it just never ended. hopefully people will realize that different fighters styles match up differently with eachother and just sit back and watch all of the dream fights.
  • 01-01-2008, 12:33 PM
    RampageStreetSoldier
    Yeah, IMO it's about the fighters not the orgs. Any fighter can have success or failure from transitioning from one org to the other but it also has a lot to do with how well they can adapt to the rules.
  • 12-31-2007, 06:17 AM
    Ubermensch
    I rep'd him
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