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  • 10-01-2006, 09:37 PM
    liddell316
    So after the OWGP tournament CroCop's bandwagon is offically full, huh? lol.

    Cro Cop has probably been the best fighter this past year and is probably the best in the sport right now. He'd probably beat Chuck, yeah, but he has a good shot at beating Fedor too. And that's not even the dream match anyway.

    As far as UFC protecting their champions...it doesn't happen. How is getting Matt Hughes to fight BJ Penn, a guy that beat him, protecting him? Rich Franklin fighting Anderson, a deadly striker. Sylvia with an immediate rematch with Arlovski, Liddell with 2 fights against Babalu and Couture (One of the greatest of all time). Is it not Pride who have title defenses only once or twice a year? How come when Arona beat Silva the title wasn't on the line? How come when Henderson lost the title wasn't on the line?

    I'm not saying Pride does it, but that argument swings just as far towards Pride as it does UFC.

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  • 10-01-2006, 07:42 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by The Iceman
    Why shouldn't Dana favor his champions??????? Also how is he protecting Chuck and what "can" has Chuck fought? The Silva/Lidell fight didn't happen because Silva just got his @$$ handed to him and there is no way he'll be granted permission to fight. The Rampage/Lidell fight didn't happen because Rampage signed with WFA. Dana's not protecting Chuck.Granted I thought Franklins advice was a little dumb but if Dana questions him everyone else would also....

    Sakakibara already stated after Dana started running his shit about the Silva Cro Cop fight that Pride would just send Cro Cop to fight Chuck. Silva got dominated by Cro Cop, big deal, name a fighter Cro Cop has not dominated? Only 1 and that's Fedor. Are you saying that Chuck is on Cro Cop's level? That's assinine, Silva would still dominate Chuck, the Cro Cop fight exposed no weaknesses that Chuck would capitalize on. Chuck does not have left low, mid and high kicks like Cro Cop and does not have a straight left like Cro Cop.

    You're actually comparing Cro Cop and Chcuk but what similarities do they posess? NONE so it's a ridiculous comparison.
  • 10-01-2006, 06:51 AM
    Boo
    Quote Originally Posted by chungt79
    who gives a crap about what's in it for Dana White? Aren't we all fans who want to see the best fighters go against bets fighters? Well, UFC doesn't exactly have the quality fighters we want and because of that, Chuck's true quality will never be proven and we'll never know who the real lhw best are.

    You are right, there is nothing in it for UFC because if Chuck loses, the wholw UFC's lhw division lose its credibility. I already explained why UFC would not want Chuck to fight guys at Pride, so I don't know why I have to keep repeating this.

    Well, Pride used to promote UFC during their events. They let Randy do the commentary one time and they were promoting UFC events. And based on the interviews, it certainly seems like Pride is willing to do fights but UFC is just having none of it.

    As a fan, why the hell would you not wanna see chuck fight guys in Pride? Pride has better fighters and competition. If you're gonna talk from Dana's perspective, don't even bother posting here. We all know what Dana is thinking and there is no need for you to explain it.
    First of all, YOU have no right to tell me where I can post!!!

    You have multiple posts on this thread talking about what YOU think Dana's motivations are. How is that different than what I did? Maybe because I don't agree with you OH GREAT ONE?

    Of course I want the best match ups. The difference is that you seem to think that you are the center of the universe, while I realize I'm not.

    Lastly, I posted here because I'm sick of your negative self-centered unreasonable posts. You think that if you repeat yourself enough, that makes your opinion true. NO, it's just your opinion. If you hate the UFC so much, then put your money where your mouth is and quit inflicting your bitching on us.
  • 10-01-2006, 04:41 AM
    Afro
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimuras"R"Us
    Boo I can't think of a time when I've ever disagreed with you. Everyone forgets Dana is running a business. No shit we want to see these cross promotional fights but at this time it's not smart for business so why would Dana do it?
    But what is Dana good at? ya hes got the UFC on top but is he ANY good AT ALL with talent?? I dont think so, hes gonna have to figure out how to keep the UFC on top and I dunno if he can do it, if his great fighters get exposed he has nothing, if he doesnt keep the UFC talented then how does he keep things interesting? his matchups suck as well..
  • 10-01-2006, 04:31 AM
    Kimuras"R"Us
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo
    I also agree with you bmore_aki.

    If I were in Dana's shoes, there is NO WAY I would send Chuck or any of the other UFC Champions over to Pride to fight. It wouldn't have anything to do with protecting them.

    The reason is WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME! Free publicity for Pride in the US? You may get a short-term payday, but as a long-term business strategy it makes no sense. I'd be downplaying the importance of Pride and their fighters to the US audience too. With the skyrocketing increase of MMA popularity in the US, the last thing I would want to do is to help Pride get a foothold in this country. Zuffa is in this for the long haul, not to get a couple big paydays and then skip town. Why is this so damn hard to understand?

    Don't bother saying that Pride had every intention of sending Silva to the UFC to fight, because YOU DON"T KNOW THAT. What I have heard is Pride reps mention Chuck fighting in the Pride event in the US. There is no way Dana should allow that for the reasons stated above.

    This is not meant as a Pride bashing, because Pride needs to look out for their best interests too. They are probably laughing there asses off over the fool they made of Dana announcing a fight (Chuck/Silva) that's not gonna happen. Gee thanks Dana, you dumb ass, for making everyone in the US audience go, "humm, who is this Silva guy, maybe I should check him out."

    Geez people quit being so thick about this. I'm sick of the bitch bitch bitch.

    Boo I can't think of a time when I've ever disagreed with you. Everyone forgets Dana is running a business. No shit we want to see these cross promotional fights but at this time it's not smart for business so why would Dana do it?
  • 10-01-2006, 04:22 AM
    chungt79
    Quote Originally Posted by The Iceman
    I totally agree with bmore aki 110%. You other guys said Dana White was protecting Chuck but yet Chuck has fought the top competetion in the *UFC*. If Silva wants to come to the UFC and fight Chuck I am shure he would be more than happy to fight him but that is the point, they are in two different organizations who couldn't come to terms on a deal. Please fill me in on how Chuck is being protected!!!!!!!! Also Randy Couture isn't washed up and he wasn't when he fought Chuck, he picked through competition then got another shot at Chuck and lost again also I think a 2nd fight with Babalu was necessary and another fight with Tito is very necessary. Damn there are more Chuck haters than usual in the hous tonight

    First of all, Dana brought up the idea of Wand fighting Chuck in the UFC. Get it? He brought it up to us. Now, he just pulled out after considering there is a good chance Chuck may lose and that would be damaging to UFC.

    Based on the interviews, Wand and Pride basically said they were ready at any time. Whatever goes on behind the scene I dont know exactly. But the reasons Dana gave had nothing to with finances and it was all about a Wand losing his last fight in Pride to CroCop which i find it hard to believe. Do you really believe that? Is so, then tell me how bullshit tastes like.
  • 10-01-2006, 04:12 AM
    chungt79
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo
    I also agree with you bmore_aki.

    If I were in Dana's shoes, there is NO WAY I would send Chuck or any of the other UFC Champions over to Pride to fight. It wouldn't have anything to do with protecting them.

    The reason is WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME! Free publicity for Pride in the US? You may get a short-term payday, but as a long-term business strategy it makes no sense. I'd be downplaying the importance of Pride and their fighters to the US audience too. With the skyrocketing increase of MMA popularity in the US, the last thing I would want to do is to help Pride get a foothold in this country. Zuffa is in this for the long haul, not to get a couple big paydays and then skip town. Why is this so damn hard to understand?

    Don't bother saying that Pride had every intention of sending Silva to the UFC to fight, because YOU DON"T KNOW THAT. What I have heard is Pride reps mention Chuck fighting in the Pride event in the US. There is no way Dana should allow that for the reasons stated above.

    This is not meant as a Pride bashing, because Pride needs to look out for their best interests too. They are probably laughing there asses off over the fool they made of Dana announcing a fight (Chuck/Silva) that's not gonna happen. Gee thanks Dana, you dumb ass, for making everyone in the US audience go, "humm, who is this Silva guy, maybe I should check him out."

    Geez people quit being so thick about this. I'm sick of the bitch bitch bitch.

    who gives a crap about what's in it for Dana White? Aren't we all fans who want to see the best fighters go against bets fighters? Well, UFC doesn't exactly have the quality fighters we want and because of that, Chuck's true quality will never be proven and we'll never know who the real lhw best are.

    You are right, there is nothing in it for UFC because if Chuck loses, the wholw UFC's lhw division lose its credibility. I already explained why UFC would not want Chuck to fight guys at Pride, so I don't know why I have to keep repeating this.

    Well, Pride used to promote UFC during their events. They let Randy do the commentary one time and they were promoting UFC events. And based on the interviews, it certainly seems like Pride is willing to do fights but UFC is just having none of it.

    As a fan, why the hell would you not wanna see chuck fight guys in Pride? Pride has better fighters and competition. If you're gonna talk from Dana's perspective, don't even bother posting here. We all know what Dana is thinking and there is no need for you to explain it.
  • 09-30-2006, 09:24 PM
    gggg
    [QUOTE=CHUCKtheCHAMP]IF DANA WAS PREOTECTING HIS FIGHTERS AND BY THAT NOT GIVING US GOOD FIGHTS THEN Y ARE WE GETTING RICH VS SILVA WHICH IS THE MOST DANGEROUS FIGHT RICH HAS HAD IN THE UFC....

    AND WHILE WERE ON THE SUBJECT OF PROTECTING, Y DOESNT ANYBODY GIVE SHIT TO THE PRIDE PRES. WHEN HE PUTS 180 POUND CANS IN THE RING TO FIGHT WAND,HMMM INTERESTING NOBODY SAYS SHIT ABOUT THAT, HMM INTERESTING EVERYONE BLAMES DANA FOR NOT LETTING THE CHUCK WAND FIGHT HAPPEN WHEN HE ANOUNCED IT, BUT PRIDE WAS THE ONE WHO DIDNT LET THAT FIGHT HAPPEN NOT DANA,

    INFACT WASNT IT CHUCK WHO WENT TO PRIDE AND FOUGHT 3 TIMES, HMMM INTERESTING HOW CHUCK DOES THAT BUT PRIDE WONT SEND OVER THERE BEST FIGHTER TO FIGHT ONCE...HMMM

    IM TIERD OF EVERYONE BEIONG SO BIASED TO THE UFC. DANA PROTECTS HIS CHAMPS ITS FUCKIN LOGIC TO PROTECT YOUR BUISNESS ASSETS!!! AND PRIDE DOES IT TOO BUT I DONT SEE A SINGLE PERSON POINT THIS OUT..[/QUOT

    do you even watch pride, the guy franklin is fighting lost his last 2 fights in pride. as per wandy fighting 180 pound cans, give me a break he has fought 4 heavyweights. and that little 180 pound can sakaraba has beaten rampage, belfort, white, randleman so give it a rest. dana could have had cro cop in the ufc a couple of years ago in return. dana didnt have anybody for him to fight I guess. If pride protects their champions how come henderson is going to fight a bigger guy in belfort. and they have tournaments so whoever wins can get a title shot. chuck also wasnt champion when he went to pride. I dont blame dana for his fight matchups hes in it to make money.
  • 09-30-2006, 09:02 PM
    Boo
    Is there an echo in here?
  • 09-30-2006, 08:04 PM
    gggg
    Quote Originally Posted by ArMnHC
    i agree with you to an extent. i still believe Dana protects his champions, but Pride is far more guilty of this. Take Wandy vs. Cro Cop for example, that like 5 minute break to examine Wandy's cut when that fight should have immediately been stopped. and what happened, he got f*cked up even worse. they were trying to give him time to recooperate in hopes he'd still win, now that was BS and i couldn't have been happier with the Smackdown Wandy got laid upon himself that night. then the fact that the champions never defend their damn titles over there! at least UFC fighters are defending their belts even if some of the opponents may seem weak. Pride fighters don't even fight top competition when not defending their titles. im sorry, but for Fedor, Coleman is a CAN! if Coleman happens to beat Fedor, he should be given a title shot without question. but then they'll probably argue, "it was in the US, not the same rules." yeah this whole fighter protection crap is BS and happens in both organizations. there, now someone has argued that point against Pride...LOL!
    I dont think pride is more guilty, are you kidding. Im glad they let the fight continue, the ufc stops to check cuts also. If they wanted to protect wandy they should have stopped the fight because of the cut. fedor has been injured , the coleman fight is just a tune up before he has to fight cro cop again. yeah the ufc champs fights are always for the belt. like franklin defending his title for the second time this year against a guy who lost his last 2 fights in pride. chuck has defended his belt 3 times since winning it. as a fan I would like to see the ufc let chuck defend his belt 3 times a year and have one fight out of his weight group just to make things more interesting for the fans. dana is doing a good job with the welterweight fights, but the other weight classes are pretty weak right now.
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