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  • 10-18-2006, 03:23 PM
    kowarrior
    Ok ok, you lads make some excellent points. I'd say it's fair enough to put Shamrock in the HOF for his past accomplishments and for being a pioneer of the game. Maybe I was a bit harsh in judging his abilities in his prime. I'll leave the hate at the door and give him his due respect.
  • 10-18-2006, 10:32 AM
    b0sH
    KO warrior misses the point of Ken Shamrock being put in the Hall of Fame entirely.

    If you judge any "legend" in almost any sport by todays standards then they fail. If pele were playing in todays game he'd lack the pace of modern day football, this does not take away anything he accomplished during his time though.

    The same goes for Ken Shamrock, what makes him special was that in the days when fighters used to come in with a black belt in origami Ken was one of the people that demonstrated how useless many of the other martial arts were vs simple submission techniques. Many fighters had no answer to Kens offence and hence in the early days he was a pioneer and succesful. Todays fighters are a mix of styles and the reason they now know what works is because of people like Shamrock and Gracie proving what works.

    Of course he's now no longer the fighter he once was because people are educated in defence for his type of fighting but one of the main reasons for this is because of Shamrock, he proved the weaknesses in many of the traditional martial arts and todays fighters have learned from this and adapted.
  • 10-18-2006, 05:48 AM
    Storm442
    Using Kowarrior's logic, Babe Ruth & Ty Cobb should not be a hall of famer because they didn't adapt and could not hang with the current Baseball pros.

    *rolls eyes*
  • 10-18-2006, 05:48 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by kowarrior
    I'm not a crap-talking tool. I'm an honest working-class citizen, paying 1/3 of my weekly cheques to support MMA and trying to make others into MMA fans too.
    If I'm going to be ridiculed for speaking what I think is the truth, then that shows the integrity of this board. You have people on here who think you need to be a pro fighter to have an opinion.
    I'd have no problem with Ken Shamrock calling me a bum and telling me I work a crappy job. He's entitled to his opinion if that's what his opinion of me would be. But I think he's a mediocre fighter who not only should NOT be in the UFC Hall of fame, but also fought very poor competition and has been nothing more than a punching bag during the evolution stage of the UFC where those part time ice cream truck drivers were replaced with legitimate world class professional fighters.
    Shamrock also had a bad attitude, talking crap all the time to sell his fights but having no substance in the octagon when push came to shove. Randy Couture even at his age right now could've taken a 1995 Shamrock to the ground and pounded him into submission. Shamrock is highly overrated as UFC fighter.
    Shamrock was a hot head (still is), no different than Tito, Mark Coleman, Phil Baroni, etc. I don't think he was intentionally being an ass just to be an ass, I think that is just what got him fired up for a fight.

    He does have some impressive victories in his career 2 of which are the most impressive in his entire career and those were over Bas Rutten. I think he was 2-0 against Bas including a submission victory that is one of the most impressive highlight reels in MMA which took only around 1 minute to Submit Bas.

    Bas owned Frank Shamrock who is considered my most as one of the best of all time, I think Bas had a 3-1 record against him so Ken does have some highlights in his career with going 2-0 against a world class fighter and TRUE legend Bas Rutten.

    Ken has supported the UFC from the beginning and hepled put the UFC on the map. Without the depth he added to the old skool UFC days it would've been Royce vs Severn over and over so Shamrock was a great addition to the UFC back then before Coleman, Frye, Tactarov, Kerr, Tank, Pardoel, etc. so Ken truly has played a signifficant role in the evolution of MMA.
  • 10-18-2006, 05:26 AM
    dagreat1
    Quote Originally Posted by Masscore
    I think Pride dropped the ball here putting him against Coleman. I can see their thinking, build up Fedor to the American public when he beats Coleman a "well-known" American fighter. But what I think they failed to grasp is most American fans of MMA have only been fans for last 3 years or so because of The Ulitmate Fighter. The average American fan has no idea who Mark Coleman is. All they are gonna see is this Russian beat up some old American. I dont see why they didn't make Fedor vs. Barrnet, it would have been a lot more interesting match and I think Barrnet has just as much name recongination as Coleman in America right now. Hell have Fedor fight Bob Sapp if you want him to beat up a well known American fighter, seeing as Sapp has been ESPN a couple of times.

    Because that is a VERY dangerous fight for Fedor, Barnett is no joke and would be by far the best wrestler to ever fight Fedor and if you look at Fedor's history against wrestlers, they have had more success against him than any other disciplined fighter (aside from Cro Cop as he did pretty well against Fedor, you could argue Arona as well but special rules so it doesn;t count). Herring was able to take Fedor to the ground and establish top position, Fujita as well and had him hurt with a huge right hook, Coleman took him to the ground and Randleman took him to the ground.

    Barnett is not the typical wrestler like the ones mention above, Nog was unable to submit him as he has world class submission skills himself and is able to avoid them, he stood with Rizzo, Aleks and Hunt (would've done much better in the finals had he not had a 15 minute fight compared to Cro Cop and his 3 minute fight that was all striking and did not take much energy from him at all) so a fight against Barnett is way too risky when you are an organization trying to establish yourself amoung the American fans as the entire marketing project has been based on Fedor (and rightfully so, Pride is trying to show the US fans that the best fighters in the world right now are Russians and Brazillians, and the Americans that are amoung the best in the world belong to Pride FC as well).

    If Barnett is able to continue to transform his body and he gets to where he wants it, ripped and a cardio freak, that in addition to his world class technique is going to make for a nightmare matchup for anyone at HW including Fedor and Cro Cop (not a nightmare by any means but certainly a very difficult fight that would likely be a coin toss).
  • 10-18-2006, 05:18 AM
    alahyousious
    Quote Originally Posted by kowarrior
    I'm not a crap-talking tool. I'm an honest working-class citizen, paying 1/3 of my weekly cheques to support MMA and trying to make others into MMA fans too.
    If I'm going to be ridiculed for speaking what I think is the truth, then that shows the integrity of this board. You have people on here who think you need to be a pro fighter to have an opinion.
    I'd have no problem with Ken Shamrock calling me a bum and telling me I work a crappy job. He's entitled to his opinion if that's what his opinion of me would be. But I think he's a mediocre fighter who not only should NOT be in the UFC Hall of fame, but also fought very poor competition and has been nothing more than a punching bag during the evolution stage of the UFC where those part time ice cream truck drivers were replaced with legitimate world class professional fighters.
    Shamrock also had a bad attitude, talking crap all the time to sell his fights but having no substance in the octagon when push came to shove. Randy Couture even at his age right now could've taken a 1995 Shamrock to the ground and pounded him into submission. Shamrock is highly overrated as UFC fighter.
    What did you expect would happen when you completely bash a fighter that you do not like. Did you think people were just gonna kiss your ass and think you for showing them the light.

    Maybe if you would have stated your opinion alittle nicer and not so much bashing, people would not come down on you. Do not start crying about the integrity of the board because people do not agree with your opinion.
  • 10-18-2006, 05:13 AM
    Legend
    All right kowarrior this is the long and short of it. Yes Ken Shamrock should not be fighting in the UFC today. He has made the mistake of staying in the game to long and the sport has passed him by. I really doubt any intelligent poster will disagree with you on that.

    However, like it or not Ken Shamrock was there in the beginning and did allot for the UFC in the early days. He was a pioneer of the sport. To say he should not be in the Hall of Fame bc he stayed in the sport to long is not fare. That is like saying Royce Gracie and Dan Severn should not be in the Hall of Fame bc by today's standards they are just not up to par. Or in another 15 years saying Randy Couture should not be in the Hall of Fame bc he does not meet the standards of the sport at that time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kowarrior
    If I'm going to be ridiculed for speaking what I think is the truth, then that shows the integrity of this board.
    Your version of the truth is just your views and opinions. You are allowed to have them and express them. That's fine. However, you should not get upset when fellow posters do not agree with your views and opinions. Also, MMANews forums is my home and if you don't like it here that's cool. Then you should just find another forum to post on.
  • 10-18-2006, 04:39 AM
    ddoggma
    Time waits for no one....and it didn't wait for Ken. He got old,and the "game" pasted him bye. Stop hatin' he's a MMA. HOFer for sure.

    And I would love to see you fight his old ass. Be funny when he breaks your leg.
  • 10-18-2006, 04:29 AM
    BigBanda
    Quote Originally Posted by kowarrior
    I'm not a crap-talking tool. I'm an honest working-class citizen, paying 1/3 of my weekly cheques to support MMA and trying to make others into MMA fans too.
    If I'm going to be ridiculed for speaking what I think is the truth, then that shows the integrity of this board. You have people on here who think you need to be a pro fighter to have an opinion.
    I'd have no problem with Ken Shamrock calling me a bum and telling me I work a crappy job. He's entitled to his opinion if that's what his opinion of me would be. But I think he's a mediocre fighter who not only should NOT be in the UFC Hall of fame, but also fought very poor competition and has been nothing more than a punching bag during the evolution stage of the UFC where those part time ice cream truck drivers were replaced with legitimate world class professional fighters.
    Shamrock also had a bad attitude, talking crap all the time to sell his fights but having no substance in the octagon when push came to shove. Randy Couture even at his age right now could've taken a 1995 Shamrock to the ground and pounded him into submission. Shamrock is highly overrated as UFC fighter.
    Did Shamrock knock your hair black or beat you to the living death in the past?? haha. Wow you got issues being so incredibly disrespectful to a man such as Ken Shamrock. Lighten up bro.
  • 10-18-2006, 03:57 AM
    kowarrior
    Quote Originally Posted by Dsm634
    So maybe you should be in the hall of fame and not Shamrock? With a mouth like that I expect you'll be on the next ultimate fighter? Probably not, just another tool talking shit about a legend from the comfort of his chair.
    I'm not a crap-talking tool. I'm an honest working-class citizen, paying 1/3 of my weekly cheques to support MMA and trying to make others into MMA fans too.
    If I'm going to be ridiculed for speaking what I think is the truth, then that shows the integrity of this board. You have people on here who think you need to be a pro fighter to have an opinion.
    I'd have no problem with Ken Shamrock calling me a bum and telling me I work a crappy job. He's entitled to his opinion if that's what his opinion of me would be. But I think he's a mediocre fighter who not only should NOT be in the UFC Hall of fame, but also fought very poor competition and has been nothing more than a punching bag during the evolution stage of the UFC where those part time ice cream truck drivers were replaced with legitimate world class professional fighters.
    Shamrock also had a bad attitude, talking crap all the time to sell his fights but having no substance in the octagon when push came to shove. Randy Couture even at his age right now could've taken a 1995 Shamrock to the ground and pounded him into submission. Shamrock is highly overrated as UFC fighter.
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